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Old 17-06-2016, 06:07   #121
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

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Missing man identified.

Why you would not be wearing a life vest in those conditions is beyond me.

Man missing overboard from Platino is Stephen Forno | Stuff.co.nz
Unfirtunately there are many sailors who do not wear lifejackets, PLBs or AIS beacons.

The conditions we not exceptional according to a boat nearby.

One of those two guys would probably be alive had he been using a lifejacket and PLB or AIS beacon. Let's honor those lost by learning from what happened to them.



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Old 17-06-2016, 07:52   #122
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

It seems that this boat was not in the high conditions mentioned. You are talking the Auck - Fiji race conditions. This boat was late, did not take part and sailed in different weather claimed at 40 knot (by at least one press clip).

However, for sea conditions on this patch, it does not take much. One look at what the currents are doing there is enough for anyone who sails currents vs. winds water is enough.

Our boat got a very bad knockdown there in sustained 35 knots. When I emerged thru the hatch I saw another wave that made me think we were in the surf. And two miles further on the seas were 'nearly flat'.

It is a bad patch of water known for disastrous sailing accidents. Boats get lost and people die.


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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

A piece in the New Zealand Herald yesterday regarding Stephen Forno:
Missing sailor on Platino was superette hero - National - NZ Herald News

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Old 18-06-2016, 17:47   #124
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

With regard to the men smiling, one, the photographer may have asked them to smile; two, perhaps they felt grateful to have been rescued, maybe even happy to be alive. In no way does it indicate they weren't also grieving for their lost mates. To suggest otherwise demonstrates a lack of respect and empathy for them.

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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

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With regard to the men smiling, one, the photographer may have asked them to smile; two, perhaps they felt grateful to have been rescued, maybe even happy to be alive. In no way does it indicate they weren't also grieving for their lost mates. To suggest otherwise demonstrates a lack of respect and empathy for them.

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I have to completely disagree with you on this. All three rescued sailors (woman included) were smiling. Not just "say cheese" smiles. Those are "not a care in the world" smiles. Very odd, in my book.

I cannot imagine leaving behind two dead friends, one still on the yacht, and smiling the way those three are smiling. It's just "F'n" weird.

Ps; I've shown that photo to friends, and they agree with me. Think what you want.
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I have to completely disagree with you on this. All three rescued sailors (woman included) were smiling. Not just "say cheese" smiles. Those are "not a care in the world" smiles. Very odd, in my book.

I cannot imagine leaving behind two dead friends, one still on the yacht, and smiling the way those three are smiling. It's just "F'n" weird.

Ps; I've shown that photo to friends, and they agree with me. Think what you want.
Bloody nonsense. Everyone is not the same as you. I was in Samoa 3 days after the tsunami to be treated by great smiles and waves from some locals searching the debris. They were still grieving last time I was there 2 years later but for some nothing can crush their love of people and cheerful greeting. Some of course were crushed and have a life of sadness..
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

PortClydeMe,

I hope I never have to be rescued, and I certainly hope I would feel appreciative. But I don't know whether or not I might smile out of gratitude and delight to still be alive, because although I know myself pretty well, I also know that people (in which group I include myself) react in ways uncommon to them when faced with hyper-stressful situations; and I do not profess to know the future.

If you showed the photo to some like-minded friends, who reacted the same as you, perhaps that shows us more about you and your friends (the sample) than the content
of the photo.

Let's hope that the families of the lost crew can find some peace after this event.

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If you showed the photo to some like-minded friends, who reacted the same as you, perhaps that shows us more about you and your friends (the sample) than the content
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There's no "If", and thanks for the veiled insult. Again, those smiles are strange when considering the tragedy and deaths (one still on the boat). Think whatever you want, my friends agreed with me. Very odd, indeed. Those are "Welcome to the Bahamas!" smiles.

Ps; I could say the same about you and your friends, but I won't.
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

This thread contains all the bad aspects of these forums and few of the good. Complete lack of respect for family and friends of those involved. Give them some privacy and respect, when the inquiries are completed is the time to comment, until then it is all just poorly informed speculation.
I was hoping the mods would have put the lock on this by now.
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

Where are your manners? You should be ashamed of yourself. Show some respect for the sailors who did not come back! Show some empathy to their families. The sailors who came back will always carry this load on their shoulders. Who are you to deserve the right to judge so quickly without even knowing what really happened?
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

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Again, those smiles are strange when considering the tragedy and deaths (one still on the boat). Think whatever you want, my friends agreed with me. Very odd, indeed. Those are "Welcome to the Bahamas!" smiles.

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Common Responses to Trauma & Coping Strategies :: Trauma Information Pages

As you can read there, she considers such reactions normal.

Dr. Patti Levin | Clinical Psychologist

Are you and your friends psychologists by any chance? I am surprised you have not heard about such things before.

It apparently takes some education or else some years of living thru the odd ends of human experience to see a wider spectrum of what we, humans, are.

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As you can read there, she considers such reactions normal.

Dr. Patti Levin | Clinical Psychologist

Are you and your friends psychologists by any chance? I am surprised you have not heard about such things before.

It apparently takes some education or else some years of living thru the odd ends of human experience to see a wider spectrum of what we, humans, are.

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I have sympathy for those involved. All humans are different, yet there are many "norms" of emotional display. After 56 years of living on planet earth, I personally don't need a psychologist's opinion to know that I would NEVER be smiling in such a serious tragic event. I also don't laugh or smile at funerals. But hey, that's just me.

And let's now talk about the obvious. Why is there a photo being taken at all? If I was one of them, and some chap said "Hey, let's take a photo. Say cheese", I would have replied "Hey, come here. Two of my friends just died. You need a slap in the head! Put your camera away, can't you tell were grieving?"

My final comment in this thread. Happy now? Please smile.
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

I just saw this.
I was at sea so didn't hear of it.
My heart goes out to the families and crew.

Mark and Sarah off Field Trip, friends, were close and helped with the search. They have two very young children aboard and I am just so pleased they survived the storm.

NZ northbound can be tricky. Ummm, same with southbound or any direction, really.


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My final comment in this thread. Happy now? Please smile.
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Re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

NZ Herald today:

"The yacht on which one sailor was killed and another lost at sea has arrived back in New Zealand under tow.

The multi-million dollar yacht, Platino, was towed into Whangarei by the tug boat Sea Pelican just after 9am today."
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