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Old 13-06-2016, 15:50   #16
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Re: Search resumes for man knocked overboard from yacht north of New Zealand

Argh. One casualty too. They must have suffered some major breakdown.

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re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

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Guess you never sailed in a hurricane before. 90-100 mph winds are strong but a well founded boat should have no problems dealing with it. In those winds you either hove to; or ride with a storm sail. Of course some folks, like Turner, just keep sailing with deep reefs.

Interestingly as the wind rises up to the 140+ mph range, the seas actually flatten out. Most folks at that point just drop all sails, batten down, and let the boat assume its natural stance. Of course a full keeled boat will handle this way better than fin keeled or centerboard boats.
Well I don't have your experience and frankly I never want to either

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Old 13-06-2016, 15:57   #18
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re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

This may indirectly shed some light on what may (or may not) have happened:

Brin Wilson Boat Builders

"...Due to extensive fire damage and delamination of the hull, the outside skin of vessel, from the waterline down, the aft port topside and coamings, was replaced with new core and outside laminate. Alterations were made to the cap rail. Dinghy chocks were fabricated and installed along with a lifting system. A new retractable bow thruster was installed along with new shaft and prop, anchor winches, deck hardware, port lights and hatches, painting and the installation of teak decks...."

PLATINO:

RON HOLLAND 66 FT SLOOP | SKILLS: extensive reconstruction & refit | PROJECT DURATION: 16 months

This significant reconstruction and refit project addressed severe fire damage and hull delamination. Additionally, the owner requested extensive upgrades, including: a new engine and generator, retractable bow thruster, deck hardware, dinghy chocks and lifting system, prop shaft, pedestal and custom alterations and construction work to the cockpit and hard top. Numerous custom interior alterations were made to every cabin, including: new counter tops, cupboards, instrument panels, washing machine and drying installation, a new galley, re-wiring and re-plumbing of every system. For more details please use the navigation above to access each area,...."

The image shows the rig up but the press says the stick is overboard. Maybe the boat had more fire damage than was visible to the eye.

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Sympathy to family and crew. On similar trip from NZ to OZ encountered unexpected bad seas. My 37' cutter was knocked down and damaged but was able to limp to OZ while family on 54' sail from Fiji lost boat and belonging but were saved by OZ coast guard. Thank you Aussies.
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@reed1v: Are you kidding? 150km/h wind "not really excessive" ????

And with at least one life lost no-one should speculate from his chair about what might have caused the accident.

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The press source says 75. This is 40 knots. Not excessive given the hell these waters get now and then.

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Guess you never sailed in a hurricane before. 90-100 mph winds are strong but (...)
If this is a cruising forum maybe we should stick to knots rather than mix km/h, mph and other such land based notions.

This boat was not in a hurricane just in strong NZ conditions that are common in these waters throughout the year.

NZ is not a tropical paradise destination contrary to what some may glean from tourism propaganda. We are talking about waters similar to Bizcay or the North Sea, etc.

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Think it came from the link to the article in the first post.



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Carsten,

Platino did not take part in this race. They signed up but were late and did not take off with the race.

Hope this explains.

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That boat was in the Brin Wilson shed at the same time as mine... fire damage was restricted to the deckhouse saloon area .. nowhere else. It was a big $1M NZ dollar refit.
Nothing wrong with the boat.... EDIT .. 'after Wilsons had finished with her'

Wind speeds when it happened? 100/150 knots? as quoted by other racing crews? Whatever.......

There was a bit of a low , not deep, but possibly deep enough to kick up a nasty cross sea over the underlying swell.

You can see the low on the first pic, current conditions in the second..... I wonder if the gribs even picked that low up at the time.

The area north of NZ is as nasty a bit of water as any on the planet.
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re: Merged Thread: New Zealand Yacht with One Deceased and Another Missing

Some photos of Platino... one showing the boom, one showing my wee boat in the shed with Platino ( there two other rather large boats also in the shed at the time.. beyond mine).
If Nick Saull and his company - Brin Wilson Boat Builders - said something was OK... then it was OK.
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Very Sad. Condolences to the families involved.

That front/ trough could kick up a few nasty squalls. That headsail dont look too flash as well, its pretty shredded. I cant see any staysail? Maybe thats the bit of rigging that went? Or maybe by rigging they mean sails and ropes. Weird that the picture shows the mast intact.

Somewhere around there the bottom contours get pretty wild and steep. This can bring deep currents to the surface and cause a nasty sea state. Got knocked down there once in a big rogue wave.
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Condolences to the families, and safe passage back to those who remain.

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Very sorry to hear, I can only hope the best for those involved.
Just a clarification to save the friends of the Field Trip crew from worrying. Field Trip is not the boat that was involved. They were the closest boat to the search location.

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Somewhere around there the bottom contours get pretty wild and steep. This can bring deep currents to the surface and cause a nasty sea state. Got knocked down there once in a big rogue wave.
Very sad. Can't imagine how it must be to have lost mates and be battling on. Prayers are with the missing, the survivors, and the family and friends.

I've caught severe and unexpected crap in that particular area two times out of 6, always a few 00NM north of NZ en-route to Vanuatu. Conditions way worse than expectations based on wind conditions. I've discussed it with others, and still are not really sure why, nor sure of the geographical size of the area, nor previously given a thought to trying to avoid it. Currents, depth, wind against a surfacing deep current? Are deep currents measured or recorded, or is it down to "local" knowledge?

Recall "Nina", missing June 2014, last reported location about 200NM East of North Cape.

Revealing report on Search for American yacht Nina released.

Good luck and thanks to those struggling back, and to the searchers.
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If this is a cruising forum maybe we should stick to knots rather than mix km/h, mph and other such land based notions.
Didn't you know? All real Force 13 hurricane experienced cruisers like Reed1v use miles/kms. Knots are for newbies.
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Didn't you know? All real Force 13 hurricane experienced cruisers like Reed1v use miles/kms. Knots are for newbies.
I know about only two things.. beef and boats.... and I know enough about them to know that most of what I read in the 'press' is bollocks.

100 to 150 knots as reported in the 'press' was actually 100 to 150 kph as felt by some hotshot racer with his bum about 2 feet above the ocean.

So taking the lower figure of 100 kph and allowing for a bit of exaggeration lets call it 40 knots.

Thats plenty nuff wind to make life difficult in a confused cross swell of maybe 5 or 6 metres.......or even 4 or 5 .....

The gribs suggest 25 knots mas o minos..... possibly more near the centre of that low...
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