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Old 15-02-2015, 11:15   #76
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If you have an Iphone, you might reconsider that. Their batteries are almost always near death, plugged into the nearest outlet.
I just upgraded from my 8 or 10 (can't remember) year old flip phone.

I go two days easily. But I am not my children. Are you like my children?

PS. My research showed Android batts. go down faster.
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I just upgraded from my 8 or 10 (can't remember) year old flip phone.

I go two days easily. But I am not my children. Are you like my children?

PS. My research showed Android batts. go down faster.
If by that do you mean I use current technology better than a 90 yr old Luddite?

Probably.

But your research is wrong, Iphones are notorious for needing an afternoon nap (just like their owners) while Samsung phones run for 2 days straight, again, much like their owners.

If you have no friends calling you, I could see an Iphone MAYBE lasting 2 days, if the screen is off.
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If by that do you mean I use current technology better than a 90 yr old Luddite?

Probably.

But your research is wrong, Iphones are notorious for needing an afternoon nap (just like their owners) while Samsung phones run for 2 days straight, again, much like their owners.

If you have no friends calling you, I could see an Iphone MAYBE lasting 2 days, if the screen is off.
Have to call you on this one. I only use Samung and if the wifi and gps is on, then 12 hours is about it after a couple of calls and use of the browser.....
But then I do have a portable battery external power supply coz I KNOW this is the eventuality.....
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Have to call you on this one. I only use Samung and if the wifi and gps is on, then 12 hours is about it after a couple of calls and use of the browser.....
But then I do have a portable battery external power supply coz I KNOW this is the eventuality.....
You might have a defective battery. I've got a Note II that I use like a tablet plus a lot of phone calls and I can go 2 days per charge if necessary. This is with wifi, BT and GPS on.

Of the few Iphone users that I talk to regularly, they're always telling me they need to plug it in by late afternoon, early evening. Not scientific, I know, but it's actual real world performance as opposed to the potential ringer a mfr might supply to a tech reviewer specifically for that review.
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You might have a defective battery. I've got a Note II that I use like a tablet plus a lot of phone calls and I can go 2 days per charge if necessary. This is with wifi, BT and GPS on.

Of the few Iphone users that I talk to regularly, they're always telling me they need to plug it in by late afternoon, early evening. Not scientific, I know, but it's actual real world performance as opposed to the potential ringer a mfr might supply to a tech reviewer specifically for that review.
Gotta call you on that one too. I have changed the battery, and both do the same.. I have a Samsung Galaxy Trend plus.

Corte ingles In Mallorca (Plaza de Espana) Where I bought it from in September 2014 checked the phone and said the battery life was typical for that model.
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I need to get a dual sim phone so will see if the batteries on that Samsung model is any better.....
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I need to get a dual sim phone so will see if the batteries on that Samsung model is any better.....
You can alway purchase a spare battery...

Now back to the thread.
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I should probably unsubscribe because the thread and the drift are both like the life raft and anchor threads.
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Re: Medical Equipment AED Onboard

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Id use anything in a first aid situation to stabilize or restore. If you had an AED, well I guess this boy would be all over it. That is my training and instinct. As noted by several other medicos, that is only the start of the problem.

I know your cruising patterns and realised that like myself, its pretty much that in the area of the Med you are based, your never more than at maximum, 60 miles from a shore. It may be enough time, (given that you started resuss early enough) to get a rescue sorted with a helicopter. You and wife are both trained nurses so the patient would be in good hands. If you happen to have certain meds in your kit so much the better.

However, the question is whether you should have the AED or not. That is your choice to make, and at your expense so Im not going to say yea or nay.

I see the equipment as part of a procedure from primary responder to full hospital emergency care, and for that reason would consider the implications of missing out on any part of the program and whether the primary AED part is enough to keep a patient alive and functioning with a delay of several hours before getting help.

But yes...... I would use anything at hand to overcome the life inertia as primary responder.

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Id use anything in a first aid situation to stabilize or restore. If you had an AED, well I guess this boy would be all over it. That is my training and instinct. .........

But yes...... I would use anything at hand to overcome the life inertia as primary responder.

Gary,

I was able to get a price reduction on the Powerheart G3, purchased a new battery and pads. So now I have a unit that's tested and as good as new for $370 with an estimated usable lifespan of 5 years.

Hopefully, we'll never need to use it.... just like the life raft, fire extinguishers, first aid kit, EPIRB, spare EPIRB, SAT Phone, spare bilge pump, bungs, etc.

Oh wait... we did need to use the fire extinguisher, spare bilge pump, bungs and first aid kit last season.
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Gary,

I was able to get a price reduction on the Powerheart G3, purchased a new battery and pads. So now I have a unit that's tested and as good as new for $370 with an estimated usable lifespan of 5 years.

Hopefully, we'll never need to use it.... just like the life raft, fire extinguishers, first aid kit, EPIRB, spare EPIRB, SAT Phone, spare bilge pump, bungs, etc.

Oh wait... we did need to use the fire extinguisher, spare bilge pump, bungs and first aid kit last season.
I have one in my clinic. Never used it. But I did use the spare coffee maker and spare nebulizer filters.
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Re: Medical Equipment AED Onboard

Again I think it is something that could save a life.
It is not unreasonable to hope that one shock may be all you need.
However I have never used an AED and cant help but wonder what the manufacturer states about its ability to deliver multiple shocks?
Anything in your instruction manuel about this?
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Again I think it is something that could save a life.
It is not unreasonable to hope that one shock may be all you need.
However I have never used an AED and cant help but wonder what the manufacturer states about its ability to deliver multiple shocks?
Anything in your instruction manuel about this?
According to the specs and manual, it can work continuously for one hour on a fully charged battery delivering multiple shocks, monitoring and pacing. The shocks aren't as dramatic as the ones received by actors on TV or in movies. The manual also recommends having a spare battery, so I'll hang onto the battery that came with it which is 1/2 charged.
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According to the specs and manual, it can work continuously for one hour on a fully charged battery delivering multiple shocks, monitoring and pacing. The shocks aren't as dramatic as the ones received by actors on TV or in movies. The manual also recommends having a spare battery, so I'll hang onto the battery that came with it which is 1/2 charged.
Hmm:

AED is an augmented facility for CPR, not a replacement.

If no shock is advised. CPR IS CRITICAL. It is the only thing that might save the patient.

If shock is advised by the AED tests, it is my experience that CPR should be done immediately after to provide oxygen rich blood to the heart. For One full minute after a shock up to 75% of patients have little or no blood pressure. Chest compressions of 100 per minute and up to 2 inches deep need to be done.

Blood and oxygen is the key and critical component of CPR/AED application.

1/. restore blood pressure to 15-30% of normal.
2/. provide oxygenated blood to the heart.
3/. provide oxygenated blood to the brain.
4/. blood evacuation from the heart that has been lodged if patient has no heart pumping.....

I prefer manual CPR to do this. Then you need critical care to keep the patient alive.

Sorry for hijacking, kenomac.
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Re: Medical Equipment AED Onboard

Always understood that CPR is the priority and the AED is secondary, but also necessary for a positive outcome.

My wife just returned home form work. She asked a cardiac/thoracic surgeon she works with who's son owns a sailboat, if he thought it was worth having an AED onboard? He said definitely.
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