Manta anchors

**irwinsailor** · 11-02-2005, 05:59

Does anyone have any information on Manta anchors? They are like a Bruce but much less money.

**GordMay** · 11-02-2005, 07:43

Gunnar:
I’m not certain how good a copy Plastimo (“Manta”) has made of the Bruce anchor.
but
As you move further South, you’ll begin to encounter more Sand bottoms - in which I don’t particularly like the “Bruce” anchor. I used the Bruce as my primary bower on Lake Superior (mostly Mud, Clay, & Rocky) - but soon relegated it to third position, behind the Delta & Fortress Anchors, which seem (to me) to perform better in Sand.
Both the Delta & Fortress anchors are cheaper than the Larger Bruce sizes. ($/#Holding)
ie:
55# Delta @ < $500
FX-37 Fortress @ < $400
66# Bruce @ < $700
FWIW,
Gord

**irwinsailor** · 11-02-2005, 14:03

I did read that the delta is a favorite in the Bahamas. I would think CQR would also do well. I have a tired 75lb CQR that should be replaced. I thought that the manta being bigger would be a reasonable choice at a much lower cost. That would leave the old Cqr and my 45LB Cqr lunch hook as back ups.

CSY Man · 11-02-2005, 15:14

Would recommend a Delta 88# for the big Irwing with 200 feet of 3/8 HT chain and 200 feet of 3/4 three strand nylon.

delmarrey · 11-02-2005, 21:26

I vote for the Delta also! I have a 15 # that held me (40') all night in a blow when the bruce was draging in the gravel. The Delta just keeps digging in the harder it's pulled.

**irwinsailor** · 19-02-2005, 21:48

How does a Delta do in wind shifts? Does it reset well while I'm sleeping?

**GordMay** · 20-02-2005, 02:44

There’s nothing like multiple anchors (ie: Bahamian Moor) to reconcile shifting winds and tides. No anchor really likes to have it’s load reversed.
Heavier anchors, with lots of chain, tend to reset better than lightweights (Fortress, Danforth).
Gord

**irwinsailor** · 21-02-2005, 05:35

Gord, where can I learn how to do the Bahamian moor?

**GordMay** · 21-02-2005, 08:42

You could go to The Bahamas

, or read a couple of descriptions:

Good Old Boat: Hooking...for a good night's sleep by Jerry Powlas
http://www.boatus.com/goodoldboat/anchor.htm

The Delta Anchor- A cruising test report on the Delta anchor
http://www.multihullsmag.com/magazin...cles/delta.htm

Or just Google “Bahamian Moor”

Alain d'HYLAS · 24-02-2005, 13:47

Since years, anchors have been tested by nautical magazines all over the world..

Bruce anchors (and copies) are among the best for digging in but also constently showed a much lower holding power than most other anchors

See the serie of tests performed by "Pratical Sailor"

**irwinsailor** · 25-02-2005, 15:47

I think O want a Delta 88 for the boat. I have read several good things about them and CSY recommends them so I will start looking. Any idea where I can get a good deal?

Jon D · 25-02-2005, 16:03

I would also look at the spade. They are a different variation of the plow where the tip is heavily weighted. According to the tests seem to do a better job of setting and resetting then some others. They are expensive but seem to be gaining lots of favor.

I just finished setting up anchors and ended up with a primary 65lb CQR with 300' all chain.[I have been a CQR fan for years and this anchor has not let me down yet] Secondary anchors are a Spade 140 and a Fortress FX37 with chain [50'] and line [250'] rodes and a Fortress FX55 for a storm/heavy weather anchor also chain and line rode.

Decided on this combo of 2 plows and two danforth types to address all bottoms and have lots of holding power on tap.

BTW if your CQR is tired in that it needs galvanizing you can have that redone fairly inexpensively. I did mine a couple of years ago and it came out like new.

**irwinsailor** · 25-02-2005, 16:34

My CQR is getting thin. There are a few rust holes in it and the swivel it is on the arm has a great deal of wear. I could send it with my son to the machine shop that he works at and have him bore it out and sleeve it but I don't think it is worth it and would it be as strong?

Jon D · 26-02-2005, 07:17

Sounds like your CRQ is over the hill.

If your son has a real machine shop and can basically fully rebuild the anchor so that it is back to orginal thinkness, weight and strenght, then it maybe ok but I'm not a engineer so can't really say.

delmarrey · 26-02-2005, 22:28

You won't regret it!!!!!!!!

But they are hard to find cheap. I'd build them myself if it weren't for the patient. Maybe if I move to China? Nahhhh!!!!! I don't trust the food.

11-02-2005, 05:59	#1
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	Manta anchors Does anyone have any information on Manta anchors? They are like a Bruce but much less money. __________________ *Gunner*

11-02-2005, 07:43	#2
GordMay Administrator Site Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 9,736 Images: 232	Gunnar: I’m not certain how good a copy Plastimo (“Manta”) has made of the Bruce anchor. but As you move further South, you’ll begin to encounter more Sand bottoms - in which I don’t particularly like the “Bruce” anchor. I used the Bruce as my primary bower on Lake Superior (mostly Mud, Clay, & Rocky) - but soon relegated it to third position, behind the Delta & Fortress Anchors, which seem (to me) to perform better in Sand. Both the Delta & Fortress anchors are cheaper than the Larger Bruce sizes. ($/#Holding) ie: 55# Delta @ < $500 FX-37 Fortress @ < $400 66# Bruce @ < $700 FWIW, Gord __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - "Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"

11-02-2005, 14:03	#3
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	I did read that the delta is a favorite in the Bahamas. I would think CQR would also do well. I have a tired 75lb CQR that should be replaced. I thought that the manta being bigger would be a reasonable choice at a much lower cost. That would leave the old Cqr and my 45LB Cqr lunch hook as back ups. __________________ *Gunner*

19-02-2005, 21:48	#6
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	How does a Delta do in wind shifts? Does it reset well while I'm sleeping? __________________ *Gunner*

20-02-2005, 02:44	#7
GordMay Administrator Site Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 9,736 Images: 232	There’s nothing like multiple anchors (ie: Bahamian Moor) to reconcile shifting winds and tides. No anchor really likes to have it’s load reversed. Heavier anchors, with lots of chain, tend to reset better than lightweights (Fortress, Danforth). Gord __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - "Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"

11-02-2005, 15:14	#4
CSY Man Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Boat: CSY 33 Cutter, "Rhapsody" Posts: 1,798 Images: 51	Would recommend a Delta 88# for the big Irwing with 200 feet of 3/8 HT chain and 200 feet of 3/4 three strand nylon.

11-02-2005, 21:26	#5
delmarrey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Puget Sound, WA Boat: Choate 40 Posts: 3,550 Images: 115	I vote for the Delta also! I have a 15 # that held me (40') all night in a blow when the bruce was draging in the gravel. The Delta just keeps digging in the harder it's pulled.

21-02-2005, 05:35	#8
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	Gord, where can I learn how to do the Bahamian moor? __________________ *Gunner*

21-02-2005, 08:42	#9
GordMay Administrator Site Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 9,736 Images: 232	You could go to The Bahamas , or read a couple of descriptions: Good Old Boat: Hooking...for a good night's sleep by Jerry Powlas http://www.boatus.com/goodoldboat/anchor.htm The Delta Anchor- A cruising test report on the Delta anchor http://www.multihullsmag.com/magazin...cles/delta.htm Or just Google “Bahamian Moor” __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - "Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"

24-02-2005, 13:47	#10
Alain d'HYLAS Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Piriapolis - URUGUAY Posts: 64	BRUCE and CLAW anchors Since years, anchors have been tested by nautical magazines all over the world.. Bruce anchors (and copies) are among the best for digging in but also constently showed a much lower holding power than most other anchors See the serie of tests performed by "Pratical Sailor"

25-02-2005, 15:47	#11
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	I think O want a Delta 88 for the boat. I have read several good things about them and CSY recommends them so I will start looking. Any idea where I can get a good deal? __________________ *Gunner*

25-02-2005, 16:03	#12
Jon D Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL currently CLODs [cruisers living on dirt] Posts: 364 Images: 11	I would also look at the spade. They are a different variation of the plow where the tip is heavily weighted. According to the tests seem to do a better job of setting and resetting then some others. They are expensive but seem to be gaining lots of favor. I just finished setting up anchors and ended up with a primary 65lb CQR with 300' all chain.[I have been a CQR fan for years and this anchor has not let me down yet] Secondary anchors are a Spade 140 and a Fortress FX37 with chain [50'] and line [250'] rodes and a Fortress FX55 for a storm/heavy weather anchor also chain and line rode. Decided on this combo of 2 plows and two danforth types to address all bottoms and have lots of holding power on tap. BTW if your CQR is tired in that it needs galvanizing you can have that redone fairly inexpensively. I did mine a couple of years ago and it came out like new. __________________ Jon S/Y Sirius Moody 47 Last edited by Jon D; 26-02-2005 at 07:15..

25-02-2005, 16:34	#13
irwinsailor Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Macatawa Michigan Boat: Amanda Faye 61' Custom Irwin aftcockpit ketch Posts: 1,385 Images: 106	My CQR is getting thin. There are a few rust holes in it and the swivel it is on the arm has a great deal of wear. I could send it with my son to the machine shop that he works at and have him bore it out and sleeve it but I don't think it is worth it and would it be as strong? __________________ *Gunner*

26-02-2005, 07:17	#14
Jon D Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL currently CLODs [cruisers living on dirt] Posts: 364 Images: 11	Sounds like your CRQ is over the hill. If your son has a real machine shop and can basically fully rebuild the anchor so that it is back to orginal thinkness, weight and strenght, then it maybe ok but I'm not a engineer so can't really say. __________________ Jon S/Y Sirius Moody 47

26-02-2005, 22:28	#15
delmarrey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Puget Sound, WA Boat: Choate 40 Posts: 3,550 Images: 115	Just buy a Delta You won't regret it!!!!!!!! But they are hard to find cheap. I'd build them myself if it weren't for the patient. Maybe if I move to China? Nahhhh!!!!! I don't trust the food.

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