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Old 06-11-2015, 08:03   #91
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Just fell in my Bristol 29, 3 days ago.

Was backing in while holding on a grab(on rear/cockpit), handhold and the handhold on the corner of the galley(starboard).

Evidently, I stepped on something ... not sure what, but the handhold on the galley broke clean off and I lost my grip in the bulkhead/cockpit handhold.

Fell about 7 feet toward the bow and hit my back on the edge of the setee and had forethought enough to turn my head to slightly lessen the head hitting the midship bulkhead.

Right now I'm sporting a blood seeping 14-15 inch diameter purple/black bruise(back), and a large knot on my head.

The hit was enough to break the latch mechanism on the head door ... on the other side of the compression post ... so I must've flexed the compression post.

Now I'm sitting here looking at all the handholds I have ... five, not including the broken one, and I'm thinking that 1" of rounded mahogany probably wouldn't help a 250 pound person in a "real" time of need.

I'm seriously looking at removing ALL my handholds in favor of a much harder mahogany, for bases and stainless steel for the actual hand holds.
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:15   #92
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Re: I'm Suffering My Most Common Boating Injury Again

What broke, wood,screws came out and where all handholds "back plated" if possible. If not possible they should be moved, especially the critical ones on deck. Last suggestion is take up another hobby !
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Old 06-11-2015, 11:21   #93
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"Last suggestion is take up another hobby !" ...?

Where's that come from?

AND no the screws did not pull out ... The holds are in with bolts completely through the bulkhead ... the actual rounded area of the hand hold itself broke.

I tend to think that a basically 1" round dowel is not much substance excepting as a "aide". I wonder if most handholds, in a violent situation would actually break ... regardless of the quality of the back plates.

I intend to make the internal handholds more substantial and with substantial backing plates that will actually show from the cockpit bulkhead.
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Old 06-11-2015, 11:57   #94
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1" dowel will do the job if it is short and well supported.
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Just fell in my Bristol 29, 3 days ago.

Was backing in while holding on a grab(on rear/cockpit), handhold and the handhold on the corner of the galley(starboard).

Evidently, I stepped on something ... not sure what, but the handhold on the galley broke clean off and I lost my grip in the bulkhead/cockpit handhold.

Fell about 7 feet toward the bow and hit my back on the edge of the setee and had forethought enough to turn my head to slightly lessen the head hitting the midship bulkhead.

Right now I'm sporting a blood seeping 14-15 inch diameter purple/black bruise(back), and a large knot on my head.

The hit was enough to break the latch mechanism on the head door ... on the other side of the compression post ... so I must've flexed the compression post.

Now I'm sitting here looking at all the handholds I have ... five, not including the broken one, and I'm thinking that 1" of rounded mahogany probably wouldn't help a 250 pound person in a "real" time of need.

I'm seriously looking at removing ALL my handholds in favor of a much harder mahogany, for bases and stainless steel for the actual hand holds.
Just glad you didn't break your back or head. I hope you didn't stove in the cabin sole.
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Old 06-11-2015, 13:30   #96
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Hit my head on the bulkhead in the vberth, every week, never fails.

Dropped dinghy painter twice in the last 6 months, had to swim after the dinghy. We have two painters to avoid this scenario, yet I still manage to do this.

Keep a sharp eye on that splinter, soaking in Epsom is very good. But if it looks bad after 24 hours, it's dr time.

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Hi. The last comment on hobby was for a smile, but couldn't find how to put a smile on the reply. Sorry if you misinterpreted the comment, smile !!!
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Hi. The last comment on hobby was for a smile, but couldn't find how to put a smile on the reply. Sorry if you misinterpreted the comment, smile !!!
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Old 06-11-2015, 19:24   #99
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dashore,

Or, you make your reply after clicking on "Go Advanced", if you do that, the smilies are all there. You place your cursor where you want the smiley to be, and click on the appropriate one. :-)

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Old 07-11-2015, 07:04   #100
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As I sit here in pain, I really appreciate your post.

Sometimes meanings and interpretations are two different things.

Thankfully nothing's broken(except the handhold).

But my awareness of handhold locations and more "tensile", strength has me re-evaluating mine.

It's one thing to use a handhold for somewhat static support in a rocking boat, but obviously, it's a TOTALLY different situation in dynamic conditions, when a 250 pound person ... in motion ... exerts much more stress on the handholds.

My step-in is a 1+' drop to a 1-1/2' step(stern to bow), then a 10" drop, with an 8" step, then a 13"-14" drop to the cabin sole.

This last step is the most critical of the steps, and for an older sailor is akin to a leap-of-faith. This last step is an all or nothing step, where the stronger bulkhead hold needs to be released(halfway through the last step), and all the support is transferred to to a more lateral, lower handhold(which broke).

I will keep the typical wood handholds in more static locations but in places where "real", stress is more likely to occur, the new handholds will endure much more stress.
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...My step-in is a 1+' drop to a 1-1/2' step(stern to bow), then a 10" drop, with an 8" step, then a 13"-14" drop to the cabin sole...
Very dangerous, having steps of unequal height.
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Surv69,

That sounds like you go down your companionway steps facing forward. Fwiw, I always go down facing aft. Would your handholds work better for you if you did that?

Terra Nova is right about unequal steps being much more difficult to manage. You might consider a re-build, and to a depth of step easier for you to negotiate.

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Surv69,

That sounds like you go down your companionway steps facing forward. Fwiw, I always go down facing aft. Would your handholds work better for you if you did that?

Terra Nova is right about unequal steps being much more difficult to manage. You might consider a re-build, and to a depth of step easier for you to negotiate.

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I think Cate was asking who goes down a companionway face first?
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In his first post (#91) SURV69 wrote, "Was backing in...". And hurt his back when he landed; this doesn't sound like he was facing down the steps. I do agree it's safer to have the steps all the same height.
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