Illegally Discharging Waste in FL

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

I can't think of anything more encouraging illegal discharges than charging a buck a gal for pumpouts as referred to above.

Jeezus, the sense of entitlement displayed here is amazing. You do not have a constitutional right to free pumpouts courtesy of the American taxpayer. It's your sh*t, you deal with it as mandated by law. Too bad if there is a cost associated with it. Find another sport to be involved with if you don't like it.

[Blue Crab]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

Jeezus, the sense of entitlement displayed here is amazing. You do not have a constitutional right to free pumpouts courtesy of the American taxpayer. It's your sh*t, you deal with it as mandated by law. Too bad if there is a cost associated with it. Find another sport to be involved with if you don't like it.

Sir, I find the tone of your comment objectionable.

[Dsanduril]

Geez FastBottoms, ever use a public road to haul you and all of your gear between marinas? Why should I, a taxpayer, pay for your access to moderately decent roads so you can make your greedy profit? Did you ever attend public school, maybe learn to read and write so you could post on this forum? Why should a taxpayer cover that?

Because we collectively as a society have decided that free roads are beneficial to the greater good. Because we collectively have decided that education (such as it is) is a good thing. We collectively have also decided that **** in the water is not a good thing and someone wants to voice their opinion that pump-outs should be part of the collective responsibility. You may disagree with that opinion, but then I may disagree with your "entitlement" to use fossil fuel to get around. Be real and be polite.

We collectively need to decide what items are covered by taxpayer funds and what items are not, and that takes a discussion (one our dear elected representatives refuse to have). Be careful, it may be the thing near and dear to your heart (whatever that thing is) that we collectively decide you have to pay for directly rather than from the taxpayer fund.

How would you like a regulation that said you had to collect anything and everything that you scrape off a boat and either prove that it contains no hazardous components or dispose of it as hazardous waste. We're getting pretty close to that. Where do you get the entitlement to scrape that **** into my bay? Oh yeah, ever peed in your wetsuit?

[boatsail]

Originally Posted by Dsanduril

Geez FastBottoms, ever use a public road to haul you and all of your gear between marinas? Why should I, a taxpayer, pay for your access to moderately decent roads so you can make your greedy profit? Did you ever attend public school, maybe learn to read and write so you could post on this forum? Why should a taxpayer cover that?

Because we collectively as a society have decided that free roads are beneficial to the greater good. Because we collectively have decided that education (such as it is) is a good thing. We collectively have also decided that **** in the water is not a good thing and someone wants to voice their opinion that pump-outs should be part of the collective responsibility. You may disagree with that opinion, but then I may disagree with your "entitlement" to use fossil fuel to get around. Be real and be polite.

We collectively need to decide what items are covered by taxpayer funds and what items are not, and that takes a discussion (one our dear elected representatives refuse to have). Be careful, it may be the thing near and dear to your heart (whatever that thing is) that we collectively decide you have to pay for directly rather than from the taxpayer fund.

How would you like a regulation that said you had to collect anything and everything that you scrape off a boat and either prove that it contains no hazardous components or dispose of it as hazardous waste. We're getting pretty close to that. Where do you get the entitlement to scrape that **** into my bay? Oh yeah, ever peed in your wetsuit?

He said in another thread he does not pee in his suit,,,,I was a marine diver,,,,rebreather and scuba....in would work up a pee just to warm up, regardless of having to pee or not....if your cold, work up a piss..it feels good....

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by boatsail

He said in another thread he does not pee in his suit,,,,I was a marine diver,,,,rebreather and scuba....in would work up a pee just to warm up, regardless of having to pee or not....if your cold, work up a piss..it feels good....

Not only is peeing in your suit disgusting, but it doesn't keep you warm for more than a few minutes. Further, it makes your suit smell horrible. So yes, I do not do it. I work in marinas and am never more than a short putt in my inflatable to a shoreside restroom.

[boatsail]

Personally, I would piss after I got in and had not started working yet, so it felt good. My suit never stank. After using a comp as and swimming 3500m underwater to my destination, I figured the piss was flushed away enough. Felt good and wharm while I was a pissing.

[ranchhand]

In researching composting heads, I've always wondered if they couldn't be considered "holding tanks" by definition? Everything going in stays there.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Dsanduril

Where do you get the entitlement to scrape that **** into my bay?

When hull cleaning becomes illegal (like overboard discharges are), I will stop doing it. But maybe you'd prefer having to take your boat to the yard and pay to have them haul it every time you need a simple hull cleaning?

[Dsanduril]

Exactly. You belong to the CPDA, part of whose mission is:

The CPDA helps defend the rights of professional divers and hull cleaners so that unnecessary restrictions aren’t imposed when dealing with copper based anti-fouling paints.

From what you've said elsewhere and from your support of CPDA, you seem to think that what you do for a living is a "right" and that things like requiring a haulout for cleaning are "unnecessary restrictions". I happen to agree with you.

Some of the posters here think that no discharge zones are an "unnecessary restriction" or that having to pay for a legally mandated pumpout is an "unnecessary restriction". They are entitled to their opinions, just as you are to yours. A polite discussion about the differences of opinion is just fine.

[boatsail]

I'm not advocating dumping....I have a composting head and my crap goes into a plastic bag that gets put into a landfill so that you cant see it anymore, so I do my part to follows the rules to protect the planet by following the rules and not breaking the law unlike some who illegally dilute their waste back into nature like those menacing fish do all the time,,,but...

For the sake of argument, just because something is illegal does not make it wrong...
Just because something is legal does not make it right...

For the sake of the examples above, you could talk about prohibition and abortion...those two would fit in quite nice showing that the powers that be in charge are not the best decision makers on right or wrong


Use your own moral compass and live true and you will never go wrong

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Dsanduril

Some of the posters here think that no discharge zones are an "unnecessary restriction" or that having to pay for a legally mandated pumpout is an "unnecessary restriction". They are entitled to their opinions, just as you are to yours. A polite discussion about the differences of opinion is just fine.

+1,000

Our marina has a FREE pumpout station. That's the way to do it.

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Our marina has a FREE pumpout station. That's the way to do it.

I pay thousands of dollars a year for property taxes on my boat (more than on my home). Thus, I don't believe no-charge pump-out stations are free. And I can't help but think my marina berthing fees are covering the costs.

[oldjags]

I've heard that "the solution to pollution is dillution." The real problem is not out in the open ocean where nature can easily handle any amount of fecal matter. After all, animals have been shitting for billions of years, and where is it all now?

Sewage waste pollution is only a problem in smaller areas without good circulation. Areas like bays, sounds, harbours, inland lakes, etc. Any area that gets a good tidal inflow is not going to be seriously impacted by sewage.

Would I want to swin next to a municipal sewer discharge? Hell no! Would I want to swim next to a boat while he's pumping his holding tank overboard? Nell no, again!

But in a day or two, nature will have taken care of the problem.

[Moonpie]

Originally Posted by cuthbert

That some part time reservist CG sailing instructor (in the original post) thinks he is above the law would make me ruminate on how much else he was teaching was off the mark also.

You don't want to know...he wasn't really teaching at all, though he did give us the answers to the tests. I feel I have to unlearn all the incorrect things he taught us. Horrible experience with a very unprofessional member of the CG reserve. His sea stories of his conquests of 20 year old girls, showing us his gun...was a week to forget, that's for sure.

That a sailing school could so blatantly thumb their nose at the law...

[Richard_W]

Originally Posted by Dsanduril

... ever use a public road to haul you and all of your gear between marinas? Why should I, a taxpayer, pay for your access to moderately decent roads so you can make your greedy profit? Did you ever attend public school, maybe learn to read and write so you could post on this forum? Why should a taxpayer cover that? ...

There is a small difference starting with the concept of PUBLIC thingy. Free use of roads, schools, etc helps everybody ... a free marine pumpout would help just a few percent of the population ... it ain't the public thingy ...