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Old 16-03-2013, 06:29   #136
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And that has to do with a Sailing school dumping in the marina how?

I wish the OP would name the school personaly...so that they are either shamed or prosecuted...or defend themselves if they are innocent.

Yepper. I bet we could make quite an impact via email, pooping on their parade.
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Old 16-03-2013, 07:01   #137
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In reality there are 1000's of sail and power boats that are anchored in FL coastal areas that never move. They are just used as a temporary or in some cases a permenant home. These boats don't go to a marina for a pump out as many probably couldn't get to a marina. My point is this happens everyday. Where I live some of the boats are right in front of the CG station. No I don't support it but its reality.
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Old 16-03-2013, 09:10   #138
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And I thought I got it straight between 3 and 12 miles, now you add to my confusion 9 miles ... 6 miles anyone?

Going once, going twice ...
To be clear. It is 9 miles on the gulf side but 3 miles on the Atlantic side. Just to add a bit more confusion.

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Well, it averages out at 6. That's good enuf!
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Old 16-03-2013, 09:27   #140
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To be clear. It is 9 miles on the gulf side but 3 miles on the Atlantic side. Just to add a bit more confusion.

Clean Vessel Act Boater FAQ | Florida Clean Marina Program | Florida DEP

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The Coastal Boundary Limits is merely the distance seaward that the State claims sovereignty over. The more relevant section of the Florida Act is enunciated in the discussion of Y-Valves, following:

What are the guidelines for Y-valves?

Under federal law, if a boat has a Y valve allowing direct overboard discharge of untreated waste, it must be closed while operating in all inland and coastal waters. It is suggested you use a non-releasable wire tie, lock, or remove the valve handle to secure the device. When you are more than three miles offshore in the ocean, the Y valve may be open allowing direct discharge overboard.

FWIW, State Law is superseded by Federal Law, including the CWA.
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Old 16-03-2013, 10:50   #141
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If we really want to limit the amount of regulations and government oversight we are subjected to, then we need to do a better job at policing ourselves and setting high standards for others to follow.

(off my soapbox)

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Now really!!! Do you really believe being submissive is the answer? Really???

NO!!!! The current laws regarding waste discharge resulted from environmentalist's intensive lobbying of legislators who passed so called "feel good" state bills into state laws.

The only way to prevent radical environmentalists from achieving success is to counter by organizing and lobbying to get workable solutions passed into laws including approval of on-board treatment systems.
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To be clear. It is 9 miles on the gulf side but 3 miles on the Atlantic side. Just to add a bit more confusion.

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First I've read anything about 9 miles, or anything beyound the 3 mile limit. Can a State really enforce something this?
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If we really want to limit the amount of regulations and government oversight we are subjected to, then we need to do a better job at policing ourselves and setting high standards for others to follow.
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The only way to prevent radical environmentalists from achieving success is to counter by organizing and lobbying to get workable solutions passed into laws including approval of on-board treatment systems.
I think you both are right and agree more less on the issue ...

Let me compile and rephrase:

Let's organize and lobby to get a workable solution including laws and approval of the on-board treatment systems. This way we can do a better job at policing ourselves and setting high standards for others to follow.

Meantime, lets not force others to wade in somebody else poo, and this ain't a legal matter.
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I pay thousands of dollars a year for property taxes on my boat (more than on my home). Thus, I don't believe no-charge pump-out stations are free. And I can't help but think my marina berthing fees are covering the costs.
Gee, of course it is. But it beats paying marina fees and property taxes and THEN having to pay again for a pumpout, dontcha think?
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But again I'll point out that the OP was talking about a sailing school openly pumping a tank INSIDE a Marina. All discussion of urine being sterile (it is, usually), 3 mile limits, and city slicker waste are pointless.
Yes, but the OP has long given up and has unsubscribe from this thread :P
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First I've read anything about 9 miles, or anything beyound the 3 mile limit. Can a State really enforce something this?
Hmm Capt D, not sure. Been my experience any guy with a gun can enforce anything he wants. The question then becomes do I want to take time fighting it in court and dealing with a magistrate that doesn't know anything beyond what the citing officer said.

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Yes, but the OP has long given up and has unsubscribe from this thread :P
Ha ... looks like he is back ...

Let's name some names, shell we?
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There ought to be a law! I've got rights!
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Now really!!! Do you really believe being submissive is the answer? Really???

NO!!!! The current laws regarding waste discharge resulted from environmentalist's intensive lobbying of legislators who passed so called "feel good" state bills into state laws.

The only way to prevent radical environmentalists from achieving success is to counter by organizing and lobbying to get workable solutions passed into laws including approval of on-board treatment systems.
I'm not sure where you interpreted my post as recommending being submissive at all. I'm all for making intelligent changes to current boating laws.

For example, I'm for allowing treated type I MSD discharge in all waters, which isn't allowed in a NDZ. However, I'm against direct untreated discharge over the side in inland waters, especially within a marina.

When boaters direct discharge in a marina or within 3 miles of shore, we as a group lose whatever clout we may have had. Because of the irresponsible actions of this type of boater we as a group will be seen as polluters and law breakers. Are we supposed to be submissive? No. But we have to be compliant with ALL current laws and regulations while we work to change the ones that don't make sense.

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Boaters in general and especially cruisers often talk about striving to be free of burdonsome and unnecessary regulations. Threads like this just shoot ourselves in the foot.

If we really want to limit the amount of regulations and government oversight we are subjected to, then we need to do a better job at policing ourselves and setting high standards for others to follow.

This means ensuring we follow current regulations. It means treating people, property, and the environment with respect, and it means educating and pressuring fellow boaters to follow suit.

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I copied your entire post. It still looks to me as a suggestion to be submissive
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