Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 28-05-2011, 11:03   #361
Sponsoring Vendor
 
HopCar's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Miami Florida
Boat: Ellis Flybridge 28
Posts: 3,161
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

If an EPIRB/PLB is properly registered and it triggers by accident in a marina, the Coast Guard doesn't have to go looking for it. They pick up the phone, call the owner and tell him to go turn it off. If it is out at sea, and they can't contact you, at least they know right where to go to check. The correct question is not how many lives have been saved by an EPIRB but how many have been lost by the lack of one. The answer is a big number.
__________________
Hopkins-Carter Marine Supplies & Fishing Tackle
What You Need, at the Price You Want...with Service!
HopCar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 28-05-2011, 20:38   #362
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cormorant View Post
Here's a case where a PLB would have saved a life. We hear about deaths like this at least 2 or 3 times a year -- boat found adrift, man overboard, body found a day or two later. With a PLB attached to your life vest, a hopeless situation turns into a quick rescue. . . .
You are making an assumption that is rarely valid - That sailors wear a PFD all the time when sailing. That is rarely the case. The PFD's are tucked away in a locker and the sailor rarely has anything on except clothing appropriate to the temperature/climate.
- - There are many processes involved in sailing a sailboat and some of them are prone to be rather dangerous especially in smaller sailboats where there is not much deck space available to stand and operate. Any one of them can result in the single-hander being knocked overboard or knocked unconscious and falling overboard.
- - So in most cases since PFD's are not being worn with or without a rescue device - PLB/whatever there is zero correlation between the drowning/death and the presence or absence of a PLB or SPOT type device.
__________________

__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 08:29   #363
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane
Boat: deboated
Posts: 672
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by osirissail View Post
You are making an assumption that is rarely valid - That sailors wear a PFD all the time when sailing. That is rarely the case. The PFD's are tucked away in a locker and the sailor rarely has anything on except clothing appropriate to the temperature/climate.
- - There are many processes involved in sailing a sailboat and some of them are prone to be rather dangerous especially in smaller sailboats where there is not much deck space available to stand and operate. Any one of them can result in the single-hander being knocked overboard or knocked unconscious and falling overboard.
- - So in most cases since PFD's are not being worn with or without a rescue device - PLB/whatever there is zero correlation between the drowning/death and the presence or absence of a PLB or SPOT type device.
Cormorant made the point that had the person been wearing a PLB he would have had a chance. This thread was whether EPIRBS and Liferafts save lives. The fact that the deceased in this case was not wearing a device is the same as a boat not having an EPIRB aboard I would have thought???
__________________
meyermm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 09:23   #364
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by meyermm View Post
Cormorant made the point that had the person been wearing a PLB he would have had a chance. This thread was whether EPIRBS and Liferafts save lives. The fact that the deceased in this case was not wearing a device is the same as a boat not having an EPIRB aboard I would have thought???
Yea, but after 25 pages and 250 tangents it is hard to figger what is what about this/that particular situation. So many I am distracted too.

Thanks for resetting the course.
__________________
Who knows what is next.
Therapy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 09:28   #365
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Yea, but after 25 pages and 250 tangents it is hard to figger what is what about this/that particular situation. So many I am distracted too
The conclusions reached in this thread, despite Evans view, is that EPIRBS and PLB are "good things" and should be carried and they do not engender a sense of recklessness.

Theres thats a summary

Dave
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 09:39   #366
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by meyermm View Post
Cormorant made the point that had the person been wearing a PLB he would have had a chance. This thread was whether EPIRBS and Liferafts save lives. . .
That is what I have been trying to get at - This thread's original discussion is about for those who DO have EPIRBS and Liferafts - do they save lives?
- - It has since branched - as almost all the threads in the forum - away from the OP into a discussion of whether you should have such equipment whether you choose to or not. That is a whole different discussion. A good one, but not really within the OP's intent.
- - So "should've, could've, would've" is a long way from the reality of cruising and sailing as it exists today. Such discussions of "had the person . . ." been "whatever" normally eventually lead to governmental imposition into your personal life/liberty by mandating that you do/wear/operate whatever to protect yourself from yourself.
- - That concept/reality of forced protection is one of the main reasons a lot of folk take to the cruising lifestyle. It is something we are trying to get away from. Long term Cruisers are very jealous/protective of their liberty and the ability to be responsible - or irresponsible - with their own lives.
__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 09:42   #367
Registered User
 
sabray's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wash DC
Boat: PETERSON 44
Posts: 3,169
So right. I put this stuff on board when the kids came along. Now that I have it I feel better about storing gas cans below deck . Dont bother with running lights stopped keeping watches. Smiley devil face with horns. Really hasn't changed in anyway how I sail.. Doesn't even cross my mind when making choices.
__________________
sabray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 09:50   #368
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
The conclusions reached in this thread, despite Evans view, is that EPIRBS and PLB are "good things" and should be carried and they do not engender a sense of recklessness.
Theres thats a summary
Dave
And of course that is your own considered "opinion" and valid within your own experience and observations - - Other people have different opinions and they are just as valid within their experiences and observations.
__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 10:09   #369
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
And of course that is your own considered "opinion" and valid within your own experience and observations - - Other people have different opinions and they are just as valid within their experiences and observations.
"If I want YOUR opinions, I'll trash them out of you " if you dont mind

Dave
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 10:29   #370
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 20,210
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Hmmmm 369 posts... not doing to bad....

Hoi n de Polloi's
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 10:30   #371
Moderator
 
Paul Elliott's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,872
Images: 4
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

I wrote:
Quote:
The beacon receiver did trigger last year while we were at sea. We checked our various emergency beacons but none of them were activated, and there was no other signal heard. I suspect that it was random noise -- you listen to noise long enough and it will eventually sound like a real signal. Oh well, one false alarm in five weeks of continuous operation isn't too bad, and it was a good drill.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
You must have just sailed past some poor drowning person.
Very unlikely. It was around midnight and I saw no strobe or other light in the area, there was no alarm signal to be heard when I monitored the frequency, and we were about 700 miles from land with no other vessels in the vicinity.

Although one time a crewmember told us a story about a Transpac he did with his father many years ago (back when dinosaurs roamed the earth): They were still a couple days from reaching Honolulu when they spotted something floating ahead of them. As they approached it began to look like a body. Fearing the worst, they slowed, circled -- it was a body! They grabbed the victim, who then smiled and said "thank you!" The guy had fallen off one of the raceboats ahead just beyond the horizon. As they learned when reaching land, when the other boat noticed their guy was missing they stopped and searched, but never found him.

The moral of this story? Keep a lookout, don't fall off the boat, sail where the water's warm, and be lucky.
__________________
Paul Elliott, S/V VALIS - Pacific Seacraft 44 #16 - Friday Harbor, WA
www.sailvalis.com
Paul Elliott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 11:37   #372
Registered User
 
Cormorant's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Catskill Mountains when not cruising
Boat: 31' homebuilt Michalak-designed Cormorant "Sea Fever"
Posts: 2,073
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by osirissail View Post
You are making an assumption that is rarely valid - That sailors wear a PFD all the time when sailing. That is rarely the case. The PFD's are tucked away in a locker and the sailor rarely has anything on except clothing appropriate to the temperature/climate....

It's true that people don't wear PFDs because they're clunky or uncomfortable or hot. (And of course everyone thinks they're not going to fall overboard.)

PLBs are not used for similar reasons -- too clunky to keep affixed to oneself in everyday life. So it seems to me the technology just needs to advance a few steps more -- and I'm sure it till in time -- to where your PLB is embedded in your wristwatch. (Or implanted in your skull, with a telescoping antenna coming out the top . . . )

Then the answer to to "do they save lives?" will more often be answered yes.
__________________
Cormorant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 11:48   #373
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
It's true that people don't wear PFDs because they're clunky or uncomfortable or hot. (And of course everyone thinks they're not going to fall overboard.)
I regulary wear mine clipped to my harness or PFD, Ive done transatlantics that way. They are not clunky or uncomfortable. Theres no excuse not to carry one, especially in cold water.
__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 12:22   #374
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,042
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
Theres no excuse not to carry one,
I beg to differ, there are about 300 excuses not to carry one. i.e., the cost. For some folks, yes, even some folks who are rich enough to own a boat or crew on one, that's a stopper.

And then even if you have the disposable income...How many male boaters are found every year, overboard and drowned, with their fly open? That's right, ask the USCG, every year something like half the floaters just HAD to pee over the rail and went overboard that way and died.

If you can't convince a boater to pee in a jug, how are you going to convince them that "overboard" is a real concern, and one worth spending $300 on?

Look at it this way, not using a PLB is a personal freedom. It helps the gene pool. Feeds the fishes, especially the crabs. SAR costs? I guess they could go up or down, depending on whether anyone was bothering to look, but as the SAR guys all say, they need the flight hours for training anyway.
__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-05-2011, 12:27   #375
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Re: How Many EPIRBS and Liferafts Ever Save Lives ?

Quote:
I beg to differ, there are about 300 excuses not to carry one.
Yes and you didnt even suggest one, other then cost and a McMurdo Fastfind PLB with GPS, is now selling for $249.00. Thats not expensive.

Dave
__________________

__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Dream Lives On Kay Koudele Meets & Greets 7 25-01-2010 11:28
New chapter in our lives bayoubouy General Sailing Forum 3 18-04-2008 06:26
EPIRBs stacy Marine Electronics 3 24-02-2008 10:26
liferafts nalani Health, Safety & Related Gear 1 28-08-2007 02:42
EPIRBS SASSY Health, Safety & Related Gear 0 31-03-2006 09:31



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:18.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.