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Old 20-09-2013, 14:30   #1
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Fukushima Nuclear Disaster.

Seems to me this is the major global issue ever. My understanding of information on the web indicates approximately...

300 tonnes of highly contaminated radioactive water per day dumped into the Pacific, tens of thousands of liters of highly contaminated water in temporary steel storage tanks above ground rapidly rusting and leaking going un monitored.

Situated over an underground river with possibly tens of thousands of liters of highly radio active water leaking into the groundwater per day.

The company that ran the plant is in charge of the site still and they are doing f... all about it. This reactor should never have been built on this site for so many reasons and it was poorly designed to handle any tsunami.

The radiation is already detected throughout the entire Pacific Ocean. The radiation particles do not sink to the bottom they are suspended in seawater.

Island people of the Pacific depend on fish for protein they will have to eat contaminated fish.

Seems to me the largest ocean in the world is be destroyed and nobody on this planet gives a rats arse about it. Governments more worried about the Syrians.

Get real people, I guess we are all doomed so loosing our biggest ocean doesn't matter. Not to mention birth defects etc.
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Old 20-09-2013, 14:36   #2
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NAAH... loada crap mate... CF's experts said so last month... fish, drink, eat and be merry for tomorrow you GLOW...
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Old 20-09-2013, 14:41   #3
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

This computer model of how it is spreading is nuts!

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Old 20-09-2013, 14:50   #4
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

I minored in physics and worked on a nuclear submarine, for whatever that is worth.

There's a big difference in the particles. The sun radiates you every day; you're subject to radiation of various types wherever you go. Cesium 134 and 137, which are the primary radio isotopes being released don't stay around in tissue very long. You certainly would want to avoid it, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that bad.

Strontium 90, which is also being released although at a much lower level, is more hazardous as it will accumulate in the bones of fish. Cesium is excreted.

Eating a fish damaged by radiation is not going to hurt you anymore than eating BBQ is going to burn your skin. Ingesting radio isotopes will hurt you.

The differences in isotopes is huge. If you want to join the camp of "any radiation is bad radiation", then never go outside, never use electronics, and live in a bunker 1/4 mile under the surface.

Problems arise when people are exposed to more radiation than their body can heal. Either in intensive short bursts or longer term slow exposure.

I'm not aware of a single peer reviewed study, or even just a truly scientific paper, showing any particular isotopes that are going to cause excess radiation across the Pacific ocean (or to people eating a lot of food from the Pacific).

The most I've heard is some speculation that if the Strontium 90 levels are maintained that could cause problems, maybe, in larger game fish eventually.

You couldn't pay me enough to eat fish or splash around in the water near that area of Japan these days, but it's a big Pacific ocean.
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Its the biggest mankind created disaster, its been downplayed and there is a media blackout... won't be long till the time cruisers in the west and pacific ocean are gonna be comparing radiation detection gear on there yachts and instead of weather gear">foul weather gear are gonna be wearing haz mat suits...
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

And on top of all of this, the Japanese have the most vested interest by far in this issue. It affects them, and their fish-consuming nation, much more than anyone else. They've put and are continuing to put more containment systems in place to filter out as much strontium and cesium as possible.
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And on top of all of this, the Japanese have the most vested interest by far in this issue. It affects them, and their fish-consuming nation, much more than anyone else. They've put and are continuing to put more containment systems in place to filter out as much strontium and cesium as possible.
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Decent article from a respected scientific news source:

Fukushima accident raised levels of radioactive strontium off the east coast of Japan by up to 100 times

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"Although on a global scale, the Fukushima Dai-ichi accident and the amounts released from March to June, 2011 meant a relatively small increase in this radioisotope in the oceans -- less than 1% -- the impact on the area studied was very obvious, showing the need to continue monitoring it and assess its possible effects on coastal fauna," explains Núria Casacuberta, an ICTA researcher at the time of the survey and now a researcher at ETH-Zurich.
"Since June 2011 there have been further large discharges of strontium from Fukushima that have not been measured with precision. This does not necessarily mean that levels are now higher than two years ago: they could even be lower, as the isotope is diluted and dispersed over time. Whatever the case, however, more research is needed into the impact of radioactivity on the areas that were most affected," explains Pere Masqué, coordinator of the study.
Radiostrontium discharges in Japan had not been sufficiently studied until now, mainly due to the difficulty of analysing it in seawater samples. The presence in the marine environment of other radioisotopes like Iodine 131, Cs 137 and 134 (among others), has been tracked relatively exhaustively, but this is not the case with Sr-89 and 90. The only data available up to a few months ago were from measurements taken in the discharge channels of the plant itself, which were published by the Japanese Ministry of Science and Technology and the Tokyo Electric Company (TEPCO).
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

hey, the US stock market is at new highs, what is anything to worry about?
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Nothing to worry about, with the cocktail of GMO and Chemtrails there feeding us everyday...
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Typical nuclear power hysteria. The average person has no concept of the harmfulness of radiation. The truth is, far less than most people think.

The average person gets 4mSv a year, mostly from natural sources.

A nuclear worked is allowed 50, and that's half the dose where ANY increase in cancers becomes even statistically significant, which is 100mSv.

Yes, we safely can absorb up to 25 times the normal background level without any effect - and nothing from Fukishima has raised the background level in the US at all.

In fact, you could LIVE in the Fukushima exclusion zone full time and not suffer any effects.

Just because someone detected something and produced a pretty map does not mean there's any real danger.

Here's a chart that puts it all into perspective :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rt_by_Xkcd.png
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Ummm, We triggered more nuclear bombs and explosions on Bikini Attol and Marshall Islands in the Pacific, estimated total yield of around 210 megatons in the Marshalls, and more in the deserts of the United States, than the issue in Japan even came close to. This is all a bit of internet hysteria. Chuck
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

I find Yastel Yamada fascinating, informative, and absolutely terrifying on this subject.



"Founder of the Skilled Veterans Corps in Japan, Yastel gave a series of talks in the LA area last summer on the Fukushima clean-up crisis. The Skilled Veterans Corps is an association of nearly 1,000 Japanese seniors committed to putting their own lives on the line for the clean-up effort to spare shortening the lives of younger people from the dangerous work that will need to continue for years to come. Here’s the link with subtitles: Social Uplift Foundation. Please pass along to as many as you can. This is a wake-up call, too, for our own dangerous situation with nuclear power plants and earthquakes."








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Watch these links for a dose ()of truth from a very brave man who really knows about the issue and isn't afraid to tell it like it is.
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Re: Fukushima Nuclear Disaster.

don't forget that we blew up all those nukes under, and over water in the pacific.
it will not be smart to drink japans water for about 50 years.
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Re: Fukushima nuclear disaster.

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Typical nuclear power hysteria. The average person has no concept of the harmfulness of radiation. The truth is, far less than most people think.

The average person gets 4mSv a year, mostly from natural sources.

A nuclear worked is allowed 50, and that's half the dose where ANY increase in cancers becomes even statistically significant, which is 100mSv.

Yes, we safely can absorb up to 25 times the normal background level without any effect - and nothing from Fukishima has raised the background level in the US at all.

In fact, you could LIVE in the Fukushima exclusion zone full time and not suffer any effects.

Just because someone detected something and produced a pretty map does not mean there's any real danger.

Here's a chart that puts it all into perspective :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rt_by_Xkcd.png


It's not about what's already happened, though that's not good. It's what could happen if a similar earthquake occurs anytime in the next forty years, which is how long it will take to effect clean up if all goes according to plan. So far, nothing has gone according to plan. It's a very dangerous situation which is being dealt with poorly at best. It may be orders of magnitude worse if another event occurs, and we are talking about Japan...
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