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Old 16-08-2006, 05:44   #31
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In my lifetime, the only sailboats that I personally have known of that had actually blown up, had diesel engines and propane stoves. I am constantly amazed at the people who say, they would not own a boat with a gasoline engine because it is too dangerous, but who think nothing of owning a boat with a propane stove. At least if you have a boat with a gasoline engine you have and use a bilge blower, as well as having explosion proof alternators, starters, solinoids and other electrical components.

Having spent way too much time searching for propane leaks during my life, the casual use of propane stoves is a total mystery to me.


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Old 16-08-2006, 06:42   #32
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There are a number of technical terms that should be understood, when discussing Hazardous Areas, such as compartments containing flammable/explosive gas & air mixtures (propane gas in bilges).

A Few Hazardous Area Approval Explanations:

Ignition Protected: CFR 183.410 - Ignition Protection

(a) Each electrical component must not ignite a propane gas and air mixture that is 4.25 to 5.25 percent propane gas by volume surrounding the electrical component when it is operated at each of its manufacturer rated voltages and current loadings, unless it is isolated from gasoline fuel sources, such as engines, and valves, connections, or other fittings in vent lines, fill lines, distribution lines or on fuel tanks, in accordance with paragraph (b) of this section.
It is not the intention to require Ignition Protected devices to be “Explosion Proof”, as that term is defined in the National Electrical Code of the National Fire Protection Association pertaining to shore systems, or within the meaning of 46 CFR 110.15-65.(e), Subchapter J, “Electrical Engineering”. It is intended that the protection provided be generally equivalent to that of wiring permitted by this standard wherein a definite short or break would be necessary to produce an open spark.


SAE J1171 “External Ignition Protection of Marine Electrical Devices”
UL 1500 “Standard Test Procedure for Ignition Protection”
USCG “USCG Compliance Test Procedure — Electrical System Standard”
Published January, 1973.

Intrinsic Safety:
This method of protection limits the energy passing into the hazardous area. The energy limitation is provided by the use of safety barriers which are mounted in the safe area. Because of the energy limitation, regardless of the fault in the hazardous area, sufficient energy cannot be released to ignite the explosive atmosphere.

Approval Methods: There are approval methods used by approval authority to assure an intrinsically safe system.
System Approval: The system approval method is one in which specific field devices are examined in combination with specific barriers. No other field device or barriers may be substituted unless specifically examined by the approval authority.
Entity Approval: The entity approval method is one in which each piece of equipment is evaluated separately and assigned a set of safety parameters.

Nonincendive: A device may be installed in division 2 locations if it has been approved as nonincendive. Nonincendive equipment is incapable of releasing sufficient electrical or thermal energy to ignite flammable gases or vapors under NORMAL operation and environmental conditions. Nonincendive devices need no special enclosure or other physical safeguard.

Explosion Proof: This is the most popular method of protection. When an explosive gas enters an enclosure containing electrical equipment an explosion could occur. With the enclosure properly installed, and the tight tolerance between the enclosure and the cover, the flame will cool sufficiently by the time it reaches the outside atmosphere. Hence, Explosion-proof products are capable of containing an internal explosion. The term "explosion-proof" does not indicate that the product is capable of withstanding an external explosion, but only of withstanding an internal explosion without allowing flames or hot gases to escape from the equipment housing to trigger an explosion in the surrounding atmosphere.

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Old 16-08-2006, 09:13   #33
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Gas grills, the artificial charcoal types, are filthy with dripping grease and burnt specks
Some of us keep these clean, and furthermore run the BBQ for a good while before cooking in order to get the thing up to temperature and kill any remaining nasties.

anyway, recent research suggests that we are becoming too clean a society, and thus our immune systems are no longer working so efficiently cause they havent develoiped immunities when we are young - hence the increased incidence of food intolerances, excema, hay fever etc.

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