"[HCI] Never heard of them, not a member
No, you couldn't be a member
now--they were shamed out of business. But for 10-20 years they were the leading national anti-gun voice.
"[medical deaths] All these people are "killed"?"
Yes, killed, by totally avoidable errors. Not by doctors doing their best, but avoidable errors like some intern working an 80-hour straight shift and mistaking "give 10micrograms" to be "give 10milligrams" and radically overdosing a patient. If those things go to court--it is only over the amount of the damages. Hospitals kicked and screamed (and still do) saying that "writing out whatever instead of 10mg takes too long, the interns should know better". Well, fatigue kills.
like secondary infections, because basic sanitation like washing
hands and IV stands is simply not done. Secondary infections are almost totally avoidable--but account for 100,000 deaths every year. Hospitals now have those alcohol hand gel sanitizers all over the place--but still fight to get the staff to use the. And, they just don't do the basic cleaning
This stuff is all documented.
"Will take my chances: If one goes to the hospital there is always a chance one is sick and may not come back," Sure, and if you eat out you can die because the salad chef
didn't wash his hands when he used the toilet. The point is--the medical
industry gets away with murder, routinely. If you are ever in hospital, and anyone comes into the room to TOUCH you, the pro-active patient will tell them flat out WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE YOU TOUCH ME or use the hand sanitizer. You have no idea who they just saw but you CAN force them to disinfect their hands before they move on to you.
"Not sure what this has to do with too many hand guns in the possesion of people that should not even be allowed to own a pair of knitting pins due to mental illness or low IQ."
What it has to do with guns, is that avoidable medical
errors kill many many more people than guns. If your concern is safety--put out the big fires first, don't spend all day trying to insist the small ones are the problem. Guns are like the boogeyman under your bed
, people tell you all about them in order to terrorize you and distract you. Don't fall for it.
"To prevent the wrong people having guns, one could stop the making and selling of guns to the above people."
Nice theory, but no one has ever quite been able to make it happen. And in fact, most gun owners would AGREE with you. Just keep the guns away from those WRONG people--but don't take them away from everyone else. Banning guns is exactly like saying "Drunk drivers kill, so let's ban all CARS because some of them are in the hands of drunks!" Hey, that works for me, doesn't it work for you?
And again, in point of fact, gun owners have worked to pass laws that keep guns out of hte hands of criminals, and put criminals away for having and using guns--or attempting to possess them. The NRA was one of the originators of "Project Exile" which has been endorsed by state and federal agencies, calling for 100% enforcement of the existing laws that say any felon caught with a gun does five years in prison, period. No plea bargain, no discussion, five years right away. Many prosecutors will not enforce this law--and then they complain about guns in the wrong hands.
"The NRA don't see it that way: The more guns out there, the better it is:
Let us all shot each other to protect ourself?"
Nope. As I said above. Further, it is proven (documented by the DOJ
and everyone else) that when you "just" ban guns, gun crime goes up. You CANNOT keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Criminals are a free market, someone will find the guns and make them available. Shut down the gun factories--as several have tried to do--and the guns can still be made. Go to the Kyber Pass, in the middle of nowhere, and individual men
turn out fully automatic AK47's and other weapons in a home cottage industry. Want a pistol? No problem. Guns are not high tech, in the 50's and 60's most high school kids
could build or buy a "zip gun" and that kills you just as well as anything else. Want one today? Give me twenty minutes in the average kitchen, I can make you a gun. So what will banning them accomplish?
Oh, wait, banning them accomplishes Ruwanda. One million dead by machete and axe, no guns required.
"Again, in a nutshell: IF the idiots and criminals did not have guns, they could not shoot other people." Absolutely right! And if the drunks didn't ahve cars, they couldn't kill. The problem is, do you take away the rights of everyone, when the vast majority of "everyone" did nothing to be punished for?
"And again, yes it may be too late to stop that, but why not give it a try?
Control them guns with a heavy hand. " There are something like 5-10,000 "gun" laws on the books
in the US already. More laws have never helped. The people who tell you they need more laws to make you safe, are lying to you. They are the same people who know that they could be hiring more cops, prosecutors, and jail space, and by simply ENFORCING the existing laws--cutting gun crime. But they won't do that, because no one wants to hear "We have to raise your taxes". Instead, the suckers always fall for "This won't cost you anything, we can save you by passing this law and blaming this boogeyman." DON'T BE FOOLED.
"No more gunshows with specials on permit
waivers," Don't be fooled, you can't buy a gun at a gunshow--from a dealer--without the same paperwork and waiting period you need in a store. And if you buy one from a private party--that's got nothing to do with regulating gun shows. That line is total FUD designed simply to shut down gun shows.
"no more promoting "You Need a Gun To Protect Your Family"."
Sadly, many people do. Every month there are confirmed police reports and news items along the lines of "Pa Smith, age 75, woke up in the middle of the night hearing breaking glass...shouted a warning and then shot two burglars." Guns ARE used to defense against criminals, but those stories aren't as interesting as the color of Brittany Spears new panties, so they don't get national exposure. Every month you can find a full page of them, picked up from newspaper articles and police reports, in any NRA magazine, documenting the extent of self-defense. Yes, guns still are being used to protect and save lives and property. Daily.
"Clean up this place, clean the guns of the streets."
Don't be fooled! All you can do, is ask or prevent the law-abiding citizens from owning guns. The criminals will thank you--because it is proven that once you make it safe for them to operate, they will prey on UNarmed citizens and crime goes up again. The stats all confirm that what you think will work--boomerangs in the worst way. The politicians all know this.
Boaters kill manatees with their props, should be ban all props in order to protect the manatees from the few irresponsible boaters?