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Old 08-02-2017, 16:32   #46
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Old 08-02-2017, 17:07   #47
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How real is the problem ?

Are there any statistics of private boats that are pirated or disappear in pirated waters world wide annually.

It would also be important to know of those pirated how many were left alive.

I suspect the numbers are very much lower than perception. It seems the worse the thought of something happening the more frequent we believe it happens.
We each interpret reports and statistics in our own way. Few are actually killed at sea, in harbors, or in marinas, by hurricanes, especially in terms of the numbers exposed, but that sure does not make it safe to confront them, or to be unprepared according to one's own standards if the meeting becomes unavoidable. How important are those left alive to those who were not so fortunate, when an incident of piracy occurs? The is a big difference between a rationale, and a rasher of bacon, but it does not apply to piracy.
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I'm not talking about spear gun, not a cross bow just a standard long bow or possibly a compound for taking feral goat/pigs for food with the proper hunting licensing.
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What you consider a feral goat or pig might very well be considered by the locals to be a Sunday dinner. Many of the islands are very poor and poaching their animals will be seen in a very bad light regardless of the formal legalities. I'd stick to fishing.

As far s self defense goes, there's an old saying that you should never bring a knife to a gun fight. Same logic applies to a bow and arrow in my opinion. Best self defense strategy in the islands is conflict avoidance and maybe a non-lethal deterrent like bear spray. Anything else can get you in deep trouble.
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Just thought I'd throw my twopennyworth in about the bow and arrow idea specifically (forgive me if this is a lesson in sucking eggs): if you mean an old-fashioned longbow or modern recurve, you can't carry it 'strung' (it damages the bow long term) and stringing it takes a minute or two. These pirates are just going to hold off patiently, fiddling with their AK47's while you sort all that out? Or do you propose rigging it just in case for any boat that approaches you? Just something else to think about...
FWIW, I'd say no as "protection", maybe yes as something to play with on an empty beach, if its your 'thing'. And keep away from pirates!
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What you consider a feral goat or pig might very well be considered by the locals to be a Sunday dinner. Many of the islands are very poor and poaching their animals will be seen in a very bad light regardless of the formal legalities. I'd stick to fishing.
So the goat or pig can be considered dinner but the fish not? That does not compute. The post clearly said "with proper hunting license" so that is not poaching. Similar, you need the fishing license.

I have seen cruisers join local indian tribes on hunting trips and share in the meal afterwards. In this case I think the poster has survival in mind, where there may not be anybody around. IMHO every cruiser should be prepared for that and be able to fish as well as trap and hunt.

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As far s self defense goes, there's an old saying that you should never bring a knife to a gun fight. Same logic applies to a bow and arrow in my opinion. Best self defense strategy in the islands is conflict avoidance and maybe a non-lethal deterrent like bear spray. Anything else can get you in deep trouble.

But it can also save your life. The 100% effective defense in the islands involves having a firearm but I believe a bow or better crossbow will work as well.
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Noonsite keeps a running list of all 'piracy' activities world wide. Bythier numbers there were a total of 26 incidents in the Carribean basin in 2015. But included in this number are thefts of outboards, dinghies, dingy accessories, and thefts while away. I didn't get in to each report (though they did) but I would guess less than 1/3 would in anyway be stopped by a weapon of any type. So maybe 8 incidents a year in the entire Carribean basin out of how many hundreds of thousand of boats?

Of the violent incidents most involve multiple attackers armed with guns. And most of the people involved were not aware of the boarding until the attackers were already on the boat.

Frankly if you need to pull out a bow or a gun, you have already lost. Short of an automatic weapon you are going to be outgunned most of the time and almost always out manned. Most of the boarders are just thieves looking for a quick buck, not to kill you, and they are generally hoping you are gone when they get there.
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The only pirates I have encountered on the great lakes are diesel and marine mechanics, and a few marina operators.
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We have sailed with several recurve bows and alu arrows since 1973. We have never had the least problem with customs and immigration folks because of them. I suspect the combination would be a huge deterrent to pirates when those razors are pointing at their giblets but thankfully have never come close to finding out.

As a means of procuring dinner, fish, chickens pigs, etc the bow and arrow is as good as the user and reusable. A compound bow might be more susceptible to being confiscated.
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The only pirates I have encountered on the great lakes are diesel and marine mechanics, and a few marina operators.
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Noonsite keeps a running list of all 'piracy' activities world wide. Bythier numbers there were a total of 26 incidents in the Carribean basin in 2015. But included in this number are thefts of outboards, dinghies, dingy accessories, and thefts while away. I didn't get in to each report (though they did) but I would guess less than 1/3 would in anyway be stopped by a weapon of any type. So maybe 8 incidents a year in the entire Carribean basin out of how many hundreds of thousand of boats?

Of the violent incidents most involve multiple attackers armed with guns. And most of the people involved were not aware of the boarding until the attackers were already on the boat.

Frankly if you need to pull out a bow or a gun, you have already lost. Short of an automatic weapon you are going to be outgunned most of the time and almost always out manned. Most of the boarders are just thieves looking for a quick buck, not to kill you, and they are generally hoping you are gone when they get there.

Again, the method outlined in the Pirate's aboard book has been 100% effective. I can see one way in which it fails and that is when the pirates used cocaine or some other war drug and the cruiser can't pull the trigger. Delaying entry is what provides time to arm and the narrow companionway entrance compensates for number of pirates. Buckshot aimed up the companionway also compensates for number of pirates in line there.
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We have sailed with several recurve bows and alu arrows since 1973. We have never had the least problem with customs and immigration folks because of them.
Customs and immigration where? Rules are different in different countries.
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Well if you don't want weapons of any sort on boat. You can always try "love and compassion." Susan Rice
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Avoiding pirates will minimize the threat, but not eliminate it. "Pirates" have robbed a boat at dock with men partying in Florida. They have also approached a sailboat in a regatta (overnight). Were approaching with no lights on, about 2AM, when they turned away after seeing the shotgun blast in the dark. (Lesson learned from the first experience)
If you stay in coastal waters, and have legal (state or US defense weapons) what's the problem. No gun zones are kill zones to the pirates.
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