Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-02-2017, 12:36   #16
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 22,231
Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

While I have never been sprayed by wasp spay it's my understanding that it's not effective on a person. I bet Google would tell you though
__________________

a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 12:52   #17
Registered User
 
buzzstar's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ashore in So Calif.
Boat: No more boat (my medical, not the boat's)
Posts: 1,450
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Quote:
Originally Posted by newhaul View Post
In some countries bear spray is considerd a weapon . Use wasp and hornet spray. It has a longer range than bear spray and when an attacker is hit they dont keep comming at you.
Its a bug deterent and I doubt regulated harshly anywhere.
Does it work against wasps? We have lots of them in the islands off the coast of southern California. BTW, as a pesticide it is very heavily regulated in the USA, but not yet as a weapon. Is it any easier to hit that gun weilding pirate with it than it would be with an arrow or a bolt at the same distance, and if you do hit, except maybe in the eyes, how does it compare?
__________________

__________________
"Old California"
buzzstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 12:56   #18
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Fiji Airways/ Lake Ontario
Boat: Want a B430!
Posts: 1,088
Images: 5
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Wasp spray doesn't do anything to humans.

Bow & arrow are, in many countries, regulated like guns. And before anyone asks, yes, so are air guns/ bb guns. Even airsoft toys are illegal in Australia.

If you want some sort of weapon that doesn't look like a weapon try de-icing spray and a lighter. The good stuff will give you a 20' stream of fire. Not sure that's a good thing on a boat though.

You might be better on a boat with something nauseous- deer urine, skunk spray, that sort of thing. Given the choice to puke or leave, I believe most opportunists will elect to depart.
Tetepare is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:10   #19
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 22,231
Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

I think possibly that wasp spray may not be immediately effective but may do permanent harm vision wise. I think it mostly Pyrethrin and I don't know what that will do long term?
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:15   #20
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 797
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Old UDT driver told me never escalate a situation unless you see a way out of it. He's also the guy who told me if he had no choice, he would makeshift molotov cocktail, feign compliance/wave boat alongside and drop the canister and hard rudder. And I don't think he's all there either.

Bow and arrow is silly because you can't store a bow permanently strung up - and even if you're able to string it up in time, you escalate a possible robbery attempt into a fight for life. You'll lose.

Like others have said - avoid known bad hot spots. Chicago, Detriot, Rio is more dangerous than the Red Sea.
__________________
We are sailors, constantly moving forward while looking back. We travel alone, together and as one - to satisfy our curiosity, and ward off our fear of what should happen if we don't.
SV DestinyAscen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:19   #21
Moderator
 
a64pilot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Albany Ga.
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 22,231
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

I agree a bow is not a good idea, but compounds you leave strung. I don't even know how to unstring mine
a64pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:19   #22
Registered User
 
chris mac's Avatar

Join Date: May 2015
Location: edmonton alberta
Boat: 1980 san juan 7.7
Posts: 593
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

The idea of pissing off one or two pirates out of a typical group of how many? 4,6, more? Seems very poorly thought out.
Unless you have the means, and proven ability and constitution to completely control the situation to an end scenario with you free and unharmed.
Hollywood likes to show how easy it is to do;-)
Plan A, don't put yourself in a known pirate location!
Plan B, run!
Plan C, give them your valuables, and hope they leave.
chris mac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:43   #23
Marine Service Provider
 
Pieter's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Angra dos Reis, Brazil
Boat: Catamaran, FP 40 ft
Posts: 176
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Great comments and suggestions. Next year i will cross the pacific (Panama on wards) and i know there will come a time we will need to decide... RedSea/Canal Suez... or South Africa and west coast Africa (also not a walk in the park)... I want to be a damn solid archer... Prepare for the worst and hope for the best...
Best rgds
Pieter
Pieter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 13:59   #24
Registered User
 
buzzstar's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ashore in So Calif.
Boat: No more boat (my medical, not the boat's)
Posts: 1,450
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris mac View Post
The idea of pissing off one or two pirates out of a typical group of how many? 4,6, more? Seems very poorly thought out.
Unless you have the means, and proven ability and constitution to completely control the situation to an end scenario with you free and unharmed.
Hollywood likes to show how easy it is to do;-)
Plan A, don't put yourself in a known pirate location!
Plan B, run!
Plan C, give them your valuables, and hope they leave.
Almost complete. I highly agree with Plan A. Perhaps even Plan B, although the latter is, in perhaps most situations, difficult to execute. Somewhere after Plan A, and maybe after Plan B, but before Plan C, is the possibility of Plan X, have your own firearm(s). Not to open this sore point is to ignore the elephant. I think most of us know the arguments, both Pro and Con, and it is definitely a decision you must have made well before and need or possible use. Up to a point before executing Plan X you have the option of quietly moving directly to Plan C. That covers it, I think, except for rigging you own vessel to explode in, say, two hours, if you have not disarmed a trigger mechanism. Bang.
__________________
"Old California"
buzzstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:23   #25
Registered User
 
chris mac's Avatar

Join Date: May 2015
Location: edmonton alberta
Boat: 1980 san juan 7.7
Posts: 593
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzstar View Post
Almost complete. I highly agree with Plan A. Perhaps even Plan B, although the latter is, in perhaps most situations, difficult to execute. Somewhere after Plan A, and maybe after Plan B, but before Plan C, is the possibility of Plan X, have your own firearm(s). Not to open this sore point is to ignore the elephant. I think most of us know the arguments, both Pro and Con, and it is definitely a decision you must have made well before and need or possible use. Up to a point before executing Plan X you have the option of quietly moving directly to Plan C. That covers it, I think, except for rigging you own vessel to explode in, say, two hours, if you have not disarmed a trigger mechanism. Bang.
As I mentioned earlier,, most reports I've read listed 6 or more attackers in each boat. Pulling out a gun and trying to shoot them still has you at a disadvantage In numbers. Probably in experience as well.
Pulling out a gun also makes a statement that you will die before handing over any value. They may not take the chance, they may just kill you. I doubt it will bother their conscience much.
It's your choice to make.
Me, I can always go make more money, I can't bring myself back to life.
You also gotta remember. All they have to do is put a few holes in your hull. Fights over!
chris mac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:27   #26
Registered User
 
ranger42c's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Maryland, USA
Boat: 42' Sportfish
Posts: 3,537
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieter View Post
Does anyone has experience in having o board a bow and arrows? I personaly dont like fire arms etc, but thought that having a bow and arrows (and lots of practice) could be a legal and efficient deterent with regards to possible/eminent pirate attacks.

Seems odd to me, disliking firearms but being OK with using a bow for protection.

That's not a criticism, just an observation.

If you ever get up this way, maybe a topic for discussion over a beverage.

-Chris
__________________
Selby Bay, South River, Chesapeake Bay, USA.
ranger42c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:40   #27
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 22,493
Images: 2
pirate Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris mac View Post
As I mentioned earlier,, most reports I've read listed 6 or more attackers in each boat. Pulling out a gun and trying to shoot them still has you at a disadvantage In numbers. Probably in experience as well.
Pulling out a gun also makes a statement that you will die before handing over any value. They may not take the chance, they may just kill you. I doubt it will bother their conscience much.
It's your choice to make.
Me, I can always go make more money, I can't bring myself back to life.
You also gotta remember. All they have to do is put a few holes in your hull. Fights over!
Wanna buy a STEEL boat..??
Its a Van de Stadt..
__________________


Born To Be Wild.. Click on the picture.
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:41   #28
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Olympia, WA
Boat: Ingrid 38
Posts: 28
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Pirates will most likely
a) outnumber you
b) have a faster boat and
c) be armed with guns, possibly automatic weapons
Even if you have a gun yourself, much less a bow and arrow, you will lose.
babaluey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:48   #29
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 14,302
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

However, if you're really keen to be an archer/fighter, Google on Danish Master Archer, and just see what is possible for a fit young man to do with a bow and a handful of arrows!

Ann
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
JPA Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2017, 14:54   #30
Marine Service Provider
 
Pieter's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Angra dos Reis, Brazil
Boat: Catamaran, FP 40 ft
Posts: 176
Re: Bow and arrow aboard? Do or dont?

Sorry, but you got the wrong impression.... the only reason i thought that for instance a bow and arrow would work, has mainly to do with registration and clearing in and out a country, besides you dont have to have a lisence to have a bow and arrow. Nothing to do with basic principles... everyone that thinks that it is ok to approach my boat with ill will... is not welcome and plan to defend what is mine. By the way, i am a liveaboard for the last 8 years, spent time in the Caribbean and Europe (besides Brazil) and nothing ever happened..... Any way great discussion.. thanks all.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ranger42c View Post
Seems odd to me, disliking firearms but being OK with using a bow for protection.

That's not a criticism, just an observation.

If you ever get up this way, maybe a topic for discussion over a beverage.

-Chris
__________________

Pieter is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bug Report: Arrow key scrolling not working in Track Properties dialog jim326 OpenCPN 0 04-08-2016 08:40
arrow symbol bnb Our Community 16 03-07-2016 13:45
A suggestion - please add a "back to top" arrow socaldmax Forum Tech Support & Site Help 0 14-03-2015 13:08
Change the OwnShip COG arrow? HTT OpenCPN 3 06-06-2011 03:32



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:14.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.