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Old 09-04-2013, 21:39   #106
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Re: Arms on board?

The most helpful thing would be to point Soldier toward a reasonable digest of gun laws in the 50 states. Certainly he has an increasing chance of encountering difficulties as he reaches the mid-Atlantic states in traveling the east coast.

Here's an example: NRA-ILA | New Jersey
NRA-ILA | New Jersey
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Old 09-04-2013, 23:45   #108
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Well, here's why I, for one, have limited enthusiasm for seeing gun topics raised on a general discussion forum, let alone one about Health and Safety.

There are a number of areas where 'solutions' adopted by the US have eventually evolved to become either the problem they were attempting to solve, or worse than that problem.

For instance, the constitutional arrangements, which far from producing the most light-handed, compact, efficient and enlightened government in the world .... well, you can see where I'm going with that.
Or the rule of lawyers (in place of the rule of law) or the cult of the individual, or discretionary-consumption-fueled growth ....

And I think we can see that guns and ammo have become problem they were seeking to solve. Your citizens may be free, but they don't appear to feel very safe.

Regrettably the US has been very successful in exporting many of these 'solutions' to the rest of the world.

I personally think the success reflects badly on the rest of the world: despite having the opportunity to see how badly it has worked out in the place of origin, there seems undiminished and mindless enthusiasm for "monkey see, monkey do".

So, with regard to the narrow topic of guns, in the age of the www, I'm frankly sickened to see the increasing proportion of posts on general interest forums where gun afficionados proudly list their armoury, and seek public validation from like-minded others.

In terms of unintended consequences, it's a bit like GIs in earlier times handing out Coca-Cola except it seems to me they genuinely had no reason to know they were not dispensing something of great value, with no conceivable downside.

If this persists, I personally think it might be worth considering a sub-forum, requiring separate registration, where gun threads could be shifted. It seems like something better talked about in relative privacy, and that would also minimise the backlash and escalation into silliness.

But, in cases where the OP is actually attention-seeking rather than info-seeking, like a small boy who has discovered he has a willy and wants everyone to know, I guess that's not going to scratch their itch.

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Evans has a valid point, granted, but it's narrow, for a specific and highly localised problem, with no bearing on the OP's question.

And to me armed convoys are not really a satisfactory long-term solution, and can only lead to an escalation in capability: do we really want pirates evolving along a continuum which leads to drone attacks, rocket grenades, or biological weapons used against cruising vessels? Remove the easy prey, and such a local predator will either switch to a more easily defended prey, and hopefully either be outgunned, or starve.

I personally think that people with superyachts could afford to use a different route, and cruisers should rearrange their priorities so they have time to use a different route.
It's like sailing in certain areas in the hurricane season: there are other options, and most people don't think twice.
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Oh you crazy sailors just love to disagree over guns aboard doncha?

In many ways, the seas are like the old West. Both sanctuary and danger. You can sail into the prairy wilderness to find your own space, away from the maddening world but with that freedom comes the occasional lawless high seas savage.

A gun in the hand beats the CoastGuard on the horn. It aint yet a socially engineered culture at sea and its the last place where the old pioneer spirit has a refuge.
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Oh you crazy sailors just love to disagree over guns aboard doncha?

In many ways, the seas are like the old West. Both sanctuary and danger. You can sail into the prairy wilderness to find your own space, away from the maddening world but with that freedom comes the occasional lawless high seas savage.

A gun in the hand beats the CoastGuard on the horn. It aint yet a socially engineered culture at sea and its the last place where the old pioneer spirit has a refuge.
nope!you are over thinking it!
amy at the end of the day it's just blokes comparing their willies
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It aint yet a socially engineered culture at sea and its the last place where the old pioneer spirit has a refuge.
Yeah.. the old pioneer spirit... exterminate the opposition... spoken from an English barn on a canalboat
right up your street gal...
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Well, here's why I, for one, have limited enthusiasm for seeing gun topics raised on a general discussion forum, let alone one about Health and Safety.

If you feel this way, then why do you waste so much of your time participating in the thread. Please leave the gun enthusiasts alone.
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If you feel this way, then why do you waste so much of your time participating in the thread. Please leave the gun enthusiasts alone.
This is a boating forum. Maybe the gun enthusiasts could leave us alone?
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This is a boating forum. Maybe the gun enthusiasts could leave us alone?
The OP asked a legitimate "guns on boats" question and deserves well-thought out related answers. Not personal, opinionated or derogatory attacks. Some of us cruising enthusiasts here in the USA share his concerns, so he came to the right place for the answers.
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i carry two arms on board--my right and my left. when i have crew, i have 2 more.
i choose not to lose my home to wherever i am cruising because of contraband stowed inside it.
napoleonic law is a serious thing--
folks from usa think they are protected world wide by their bill of alleged rights--which is and has been being dispo-d by a fascist bastid in orifice. there is no coverage outside of usa, never was.

with armaments and arsenals in boats---you are making the choice to lose your boat/home when you enter any other country outside of usa.
searches of boats is serious, them finding something is even more serious.

is all your own personal choice--keep boat(no armaments)....lose boat(keep hidden guns and armaments).....

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^5 Zee. Well said.
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now, where did i stow my flame-thrower...)
Hmmmm... still having problems with the barbecue huh..?
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Apparently, you didn't read most of the previous posts including mine. We always obey the laws of host countries, so no weapons overseas.

The OP asked his weapons question based on the premise that he's be cruising in USA waters, where it's legal to possess firearms.
Actually if you look back you'll see I've read and responded where I considered it appropriate... and apart from the levity the post before my last responded to your request...
Lighten up mate... you've been a CF member long enough to know how it goes with guns and anchors..
I was raised in a country that puts your gun culture in the shade.. (as your country and Russia found out invading Afghanistan).. they wander the streets with em...
yet I don't clamour for a gun on my boat...
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Apparently, you didn't read most of the previous posts including mine. We always obey the laws of host countries, so no weapons overseas.

The OP asked his weapons question based on the premise that he's be cruising in USA waters, where it's legal to possess firearms.



Yeah, I think they got that. It doesn't matter though, any opportunity to bash gun owners will do. Keep saying "abide by the laws of the country you're in", despite the fact that the OP created this thread in an attempt to do just that. Some people just like repeating the obvious.
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Points asked, answered, then beat to death......

Please move along; nothing to see here!
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