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Old 26-08-2012, 09:04   #76
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Re: Are Deck Lifelines a Nearly Complete Waste?

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and what happens when you want to operate the vessel
just asking
Nothing.. Just don't sell it.
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Old 26-08-2012, 09:23   #77
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The term "placed in to market" means it for sale for consumer. If someone imports or builds, whatever, for personal use means it's not " placed into market" and not under the CE legislation. If you go and ask officials they say opposite becouse it's safer for them. What's not mentioned is the fact that there' s not a single boat build before 1994 that meets the ISO standards in A B or C categories and therefore they are almost impossible to make ISOcompliant. Some of the requirements are so much from a different universe what was build before.
This is factually wrong, boats privately imported for personal use MUST be CE certified. That's the law, stop confusing people. if you can't make them compliant YOU CAN'T IMPORT them it's that simple. Note that's building is different if for own use, but the directive is clear you have to predominantly build it yourself. ( ie you can't just commission a build )

The act of importing a vessel by a private non vat registered business , who pays vat at the point of import has been deemed to have placed the product on the market. Ie the product is free to move between EU countries without further tax. There have been countless clarifications of the term.

You seem like someone trying to justify a personal decision

I'm been involved in this and the process is clear. When he directive was drawn up it grandfathered in existing boats present in the EEA. It then enforced the RCD on ALL normal boat imports irrespective of new of secondhand status. If you buy a 25 year old boat from the US. It must be CE compliant or be subject to a post construction assessment. If it cannot be made compliant it in fact can never be used in the EU.

Many US boats today even new ones will not meet CE requirements and therefore cant be imported either.

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Old 26-08-2012, 09:51   #78
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Re: Are Deck Lifelines a Nearly Complete Waste?

So tell me what happens if someone buy a boat outside EU, comes in, pays the VAT and just sails.. Nothing me thinks.
And it was you claiming there's no way to do it. One more way is a cruising boat staying over time in the EU, what happens? Pay the VAT and stay on.. No EC certs needed..
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Re: Are Deck Lifelines a Nearly Complete Waste?

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The term "placed in to market" means it for sale for consumer. If someone imports or builds, whatever, for personal use means it's not " placed into market" and not under the CE legislation. If you go and ask officials they say opposite becouse it's safer for them. What's not mentioned is the fact that there' s not a single boat build before 1994 that meets the ISO standards in A B or C categories and therefore they are almost impossible to make ISOcompliant. Some of the requirements are so much from a different universe what was build before.
"placed to market" include use, Sale" does not need to occur

Frequently asked questions - Maritime industries - Enterprise and Industry

The Commission's Guide to the implementation of Directives based on the New Approach and the Global Approach gives the following definition of "placing on the market": "a product is placed on the Community market when it is made available for the first time. This is considered to take place when a product is transferred from the stage of manufacture with the intention of distribution or use on the Community market.
Placing on the market is considered NOT to take place where a product is:
- transferred from the manufacturer in a third country to an authorised representative in the Community whom the manufacturer has engaged to ensure that the product complies with the directive.
- transferred to a manufacturer for further measures (assembling, packaging, labelling, etc.)
- not (yet) granted release for free circulation by customs or has been placed under another customs procedure
- manufactured in a Member State with a view to exporting it to a third country
- in the stocks of the manufacturer or the authorised representative established in the Community, where the product is not yet made available."
The Application Guide to the Recreational Craft Directive gives approximately the same definition of "placing on the market" referring to the transfer from the manufacturing stage to the market of the EEA or the importing stage from a third country with a view to its distribution and/or use in the EEA.
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Re: Are Deck Lifelines a Nearly Complete Waste?

Ah, the Eu....where even the bananas have to have an approved rate of curvature, and water has been deemed unsuitable for treating dehydration.

LIFElines. My thoughts on them are; high and solid. Wind is stronger high up anyway, and having a gap between sails and deck makes it easier to aim the bow for ramming. Can attach all manner of things to them. Helps keep intrusive visitors at bay.
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So tell me what happens if someone buy a boat outside EU, comes in, pays the VAT and just sails.. Nothing me thinks.
And it was you claiming there's no way to do it. One more way is a cruising boat staying over time in the EU, what happens? Pay the VAT and stay on.. No EC certs needed..
Lots of ways to break the law. Sure why bother paying the vat.

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