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Old 24-09-2016, 07:51   #46
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From the OP 'My question is; what do you actually do? '....

A lot of people here just seem to telling us what they 'have'

Different beast in most cases.

I have lots of stuff... I use very little of it......
That's why I carry my 'RN Boats Charts' pack with me.. and I have had occasion to use them 'under fire' a couple of times.. once from 500nm NNW of the Azores to Falmouth, UK.. roughly 1000nm.. I got there.. 3 days after I estimated I should have but 5 days of calms can put a glitch in ones DR..
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I don't have a separate nav or comm stations, everything is at the helm(s), although the pilot house helm has an adjacent chart table. Charts are primarily electronic, displayed through a 3-black box NavNet3 network (so any two could go down, and we would still be in business) on a choice of 4 17" displays at the pilothouse helm. (The FB also has 4 displays, although those are a little smaller, and the other helms each have only one display, though those displays can select any view available at any of the other stations.)

In addition to charts, the displays can present radar (overlayed or not), FLIR, CTS graphics and data, scanning sonar, conventional down fishfinder, weatherfax, PC operating MaxSea software (basically the same as NN3D software, and interfaced to it but with the additional ability to display a 3D view of personal bathymetric data), wind data and engine data. A number of other instruments display other data (some networked) on a stand-alone basis, such as AIS, radio direction finder (pilothouse helm only), VHF radios, SSB, and (almost forgot) SAT compass.

I don't cross oceans but do venture 100 - 180 miles offshore and have covered thousands of miles of the pacific coast of north america and feel well equipped to go north to Alaska or south through the canal (perhaps with a stop at the Galapagos along the way) and beyond.
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I haven't seen an instrument with nixie tubes in 40 years. How very cool, sailorchic34!
What can I say, I'm an old fashion Girl. I also have the circuit board mask template and the build instructions. Pretty cool.
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Old 24-09-2016, 15:30   #49
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Can you use the Lucas Replacement Smoke in your Nixies? If so, then you might want to keep this in spares:
I oddly have some experience with the "prince of darkness" that is Lucus Electric's. Got to get me some of that liquid smoke...
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What can I say, I'm an old fashion Girl. I also have the circuit board mask template and the build instructions. Pretty cool.
Wait a minute, I thought the depth sounder with nixie tubes was a joke (like Lucas wiring harness smoke). You mean you really have one???? Please post photos!!

Nixie tubes are high fashion these days, kind of steam punk geek stuff. I guess you must have heard about Steve Wozniack's nixie tube wristwatch, no? It means you have the coolest depth sounder on the planet -- what Steve Wozniack would want on his yacht Maybe you can sell it to him.


They were much more widely used in the USSR, than in the US, I believe, and in the '80's you could still see nixie tube devices everywhere in Russia. Really kind of iconic symbol of the look and feel of the place in those days. There are still millions of NOS Soviet nixie tubes in warehouses, and you can buy them for almost nothing.
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Thanks for mentioning the nixie stuff.

I might built ourselves a clock now on one of those long tropical depression nights ...

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Wait a minute, I thought the depth sounder with nixie tubes was a joke (like Lucas wiring harness smoke). You mean you really have one???? Please post photos!!

Nixie tubes are high fashion these days, kind of steam punk geek stuff. I guess you must have heard about Steve Wozniack's nixie tube wristwatch, no? It means you have the coolest depth sounder on the planet -- what Steve Wozniack would want on his yacht Maybe you can sell it to him.


They were much more widely used in the USSR, than in the US, I believe, and in the '80's you could still see nixie tube devices everywhere in Russia. Really kind of iconic symbol of the look and feel of the place in those days. There are still millions of NOS Soviet nixie tubes in warehouses, and you can buy them for almost nothing.
yes, My primary depth sounder is the nixie tube HeathKit Depth sounder. After about 100-130 feet it does not work so well, but it's very nice and a cool engineers Depth sounder.

Maybe I need to market the Sailorchic Nixie Tube depth sounder. I think it was the Nixie tube that caused Heathkit to go belly up, way back then..

Though I do like the Idea of selling my extremely RARE and working Antique Nixie Tube sounder to "The WOZ" . At the very least I need 4 nixie tubes for spares.

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Finally found a photo showing the depth sounder. It's mounted inside the forward bulkhead next to the compression post. (sorry it's off). As it was built into the bulkhead and the boat was a kit boat. That puts the sounder age at 1971-1972. The sounder head shoots through the hull

I put the chart of the south pacific on the bulkhead to lighten up the cabin. That and the Chart (Catalina Is.) on the table were dumpster dive finds. OK they were beside the dumpster....
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yes, My primary depth sounder is the nixie tube HeathKit Depth sounder. After about 100-130 feet it does not work so well, but it's very nice and a cool engineers Depth sounder.

Maybe I need to market the Sailorchic Nixie Tube depth sounder. I think it was the Nixie tube that caused Heathkit to go belly up, way back then..

Though I do like the Idea of selling my extremely RARE and working Antique Nixie Tube sounder to "The WOZ" . At the very least I need 4 nixie tubes for spares.
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Seem to remember an Oyster 60 (Wolfhound.?) being abandoned N of Bermuda because they could not charge their I-Pad..
Get your story straight before you post this kind of rubbish. "Wolfhound" was a 48ft Swan and there was much more to the story.

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Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound
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Re: What's Your Actual Nav. Setup?

In the seventies I would plan my route with paper charts and plot my ded reckoning position calculating current vectors. I also use a hand held RDF for position fixes that I would mark in pencil on my chart. I would also take a noon position with a sextant, but this was back-up and more a "play" with the device than my standard navigation procedure.

Today, I still plan on paper, but use the GPS for my fixes. I do not record as much data with pencil on my chart as in the past.

I enjoy technology, but I'm slow to change. From our first cruising in the early 1970's until the 1990's we only used a lead line for depth, but for the last twenty years we've had sonar depth sounding. Being a coastal cruiser, I like adding depth contours to my navigation tool box as well as radar.

We still see people aground or at risk because they are following their chartplotters into danger. Navigation aides are often moved with changing shoals. Direct visual observations continues to trump an electronic image!
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Get your story straight before you post this kind of rubbish. "Wolfhound" was a 48ft Swan and there was much more to the story.

Here's the story:

Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound
That is painful to read.

I hate these threads, second guessing decisions to abandon ship, but it's really hard to resist in this case. The vessel was still seaworthy and sailing, but they couldn't start the engine and they had lost electrical power. They were afraid of getting through the reefs into Bermuda without any electronic navigation.

I wasn't there, and can't know for sure what it was like, but I would sure as heck hope that I would NOT abandon my boat as long as she is sailing and seaworthy.

This case is actually entirely relevant to the subject of this thread.


I really hate the common "that could never happen to me" attitude in some of these threads, but if you have a handheld DSC VHF with a battery tray and supply of batteries, you would NOT be without comms, even if you couldn't avoid losing electrical power (and with multiple methods of charging and a decent electrical tool kit and spares on board, that is also very unlikely). If you have comms, all you need to do is get within sight of Bermuda, heave to, and make radio calls until you raise someone, and ask someone to escort you in, or in the worst case, tow you in.
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Get your story straight before you post this kind of rubbish. "Wolfhound" was a 48ft Swan and there was much more to the story.

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Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound
But... Oyster sounds so much better...
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That is painful to read.

I hate these threads, second guessing decisions to abandon ship, but it's really hard to resist in this case. The vessel was still seaworthy and sailing, but they couldn't start the engine and they had lost electrical power. They were afraid of getting through the reefs into Bermuda without any electronic navigation.

I wasn't there, and can't know for sure what it was like, but I would sure as heck hope that I would NOT abandon my boat as long as she is sailing and seaworthy.

This case is actually entirely relevant to the subject of this thread.
BUT... "Wolfhound" was not an Oyster 60 like Boatman claimed, AND... there were many other circumstances which led to the decision to call for help. A downward spiral of events in this case beginning with electrical problems, then no engine and ultimately ripped sails. It wasn't just the ipad running low on batteries as boatman implied.

I never second guess these situations, it can happen to any of us although I try my best to minimize the possibility on our boat via redundancy.

Dockhead,

How would you have handled the situation differently if your genset quit, your engine quit, your nav systems all quit working, your batteries all dead, no ability to communicate and your sails were torn, and there was more bad weather on the way? How would you navigate the remaining 70 miles into Bermuda with a cold and scared crew? I'm thinking dead reckoning might not get most people to that small island, especially..... without paper charts, sails or an engine.

In addition... you don't have a couple of extra batteries for your handheld VHF. And please elaborate on how you would heave to on a Swan 48 without a jib.
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. . . Dockhead,

How would you have handled the situation differently if your genset quit, your engine quit, your nav systems all quit working, your batteries all dead, no ability to communicate and your sails were torn, and there was more bad weather on the way? How would you navigate the remaining 70 miles into Bermuda with a cold and scared crew? I'm thinking dead reckoning might not get most people to that small island, especially..... without paper charts, sails or an engine.

In addition... you don't have a couple of extra batteries for your handheld VHF. And please elaborate on how you would heave to on a Swan 48 without a jib.
By answering this, I'm committing the sin of second guessing another skipper's decision to abandon. Bad, bad.


But . . .

1. I have like 100 AAA batteries for the handheld VHF, plus a solar charger for the rechargeable battery. The AAA batteries are in date and vacuum sealed. There is no f&&&& way I would ever be without VHF communications even if I lost power.

2. I have multiple ways of keeping power on. I clean my fuel tanks every two years. I have a case of spare Racor filters on board. FFS, I have a jerry can of clean emergency diesel fuel, for a real SHTF situation, plus spare fuel hose, pump, etc. I have three completely separated battery banks, any one of which can start either engine, full electrical kit, spare heavy cabling, jumper cables, spare starters, etc., etc., etc. Chances of both generator and main engine going down on my boat is vanishingly small, and either one keeps the boat fully supplied with power.

3. I have multiple (3x) alternate headsails on board, multiple spare halyards, and miles of spare rope. One ripped sail, broken halyard, etc. is not going to disable the vessel. Even two ripped sails won't do it.

And I don't even cross oceans -- yet. This is my setup for being a couple hundred miles offshore for only less than a week at a time.



They were, by the way, not 70 miles, but 35 miles (!) from Bermuda. Already within range of the fixed VHF set.


Of course it would be arrogant to say "I could never happen to me", and saying that would surely anger Neptune and bring down his vengeance, like it did on Rebel Cause. But FFS, I surely hope I would have gotten that boat into Bermuda, scared crew or not.

In my experience, by the way, the crew is never scared, if the skipper has the matter in hand and is fighting the "cascade of failures" in a calm and systematic way. If I'm ever in a "cascade of failures" situation, I surely hope I will keep on fighting as long as the boat is floating and not on fire, and I hope the crew will follow and support me.
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