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Old 01-02-2013, 18:20   #226
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

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There can be a lot of speculation, however if you weren't there, you can't know or judge.
Actually, none of the people who ARE going to pass final judgement were there.
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Old 01-02-2013, 18:34   #227
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

I am well aquainted with the facts of the Exxon Valdez grounding, I did not want to burden the ADHD victims here by revisiting them, only pointing out that the immediately apparent villan may not have the role that is hung on them, by public out cry.
Too true, about the final judgement, I trust that the review board has more experience, than the rest of us collectivly, and the wisdom to see the facts that may not be readily apparent to us. That is their job to pass judgement.
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Old 01-02-2013, 21:00   #228
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Just a question. as my memory is hazy on the Exxon Valdiz incident, but wasn't there a little question of alcohol consumption by the Capt.?
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Nothing that could be proven, he did have a history of problems, by the time they got around to testing him, he had already been ashore for several hours, in a tavern. So there was no way to positively say he was under the influence at the time of the grounding, and it was established that he was in his stateroom at the time of the incident. Normally ship's Masters do not stand a watch, they are on an on call status, generally the Chief Mate runs the vessel and the Master handles the payroll etc...
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

If you don't think that masters stand a watch, watch how this master runs his ship.
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Old 02-02-2013, 14:48   #231
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

Deep Freez,
You've not been on a ship? Saying the Master doesn't stand watch doesn't mean he doesn't come up to the bridge. He will be up there during port transits and any other significant evolution, just as Hazelwood should have been as the Valdez was exiting the bay.
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Okay, Randie...
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

The latest news is that they plan on chopping the ship up in situ.
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Yeah and the charts were miles off
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

DeepFrz, just as Randy has said, the Master does run the vessel, he does not stand a watch per se, there is a 3 watch rotation, either 4 hours on and 8 hours off, or 8 hours on and 16 hours off, these are broken up between the Chief Mate, 2nd Mate, and 3rd Mate. The Master is on call 24/7, and is on the bridge during the times that he is needed. Most of his time is taken up with man power reports, payroll, manifests, entering and leaving ports etc... That is not to say he is not in command of the vessel.
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

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DeepFrz, just as Randy has said, the Master does run the vessel, he does not stand a watch per se, there is a 3 watch rotation, either 4 hours on and 8 hours off, or 8 hours on and 16 hours off, these are broken up between the Chief Mate, 2nd Mate, and 3rd Mate. The Master is on call 24/7, and is on the bridge during the times that he is needed. Most of his time is taken up with man power reports, payroll, manifests, entering and leaving ports etc... That is not to say he is not in command of the vessel.
Why, that sounds just like life on board Insatiable II... I do all those things (sorta), no mates at all (do have an excellent watch-standing Admiral, tho') and stand watch too!.. I better contact my union rep. Anyone know the phone number for Yotties International ?

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Yeah and the charts were miles off
According to the GPS the Philippines were in the wrong place .
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According to the GPS the Philippines were in the wrong place .
Well, Japan did move about 9 ft. a couple years ago.
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Re: U.S. Navy ship goes aground due to bad charts

A minesweeper (or similar) is the worst ship to run aground in too - light weight hull and they tend to be a little fire-prone too.

you know what would have worked well? Google maps satellite image. you can see that reef clear as day on the imagery.
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Google Earth and Google maps have it all blotched out. I guess they don't want people to know that there is a naval armada out there right now.
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