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Old 12-11-2013, 15:45   #151
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I have many friends that are true blood English men that admire the French.

I think as a colonial you miss the point. European blood is thicker then water so to speak. I mean after all before 1399 English kings all spoke French


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Old 12-11-2013, 16:49   #152
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Leisure Folios are not discontinued; only individual Leisure charts. And almost every other maritime country have some kind of their own "Leisure Folios" for their waters.

Most areas are covered by Imray. I've always found the Dutch and French coastal charts superior to the Admiralty ones anyway. Shall miss the Thames Estuary one though!

My friend is a deep sea pilot, every ship he goes on carries paper charts plus all the latest technology, light dues etc. etc.
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:57   #153
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:24   #154
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I have many friends that are true blood English men that admire the French.

I think as a colonial you miss the point. European blood is thicker then water so to speak. I mean after all before 1399 English kings all spoke French


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I love a Man who knows his History . . . especially if he's a Francophile. Let's see. The three greatest Frenchmen were undoubtedly Charles Martel who repelled the Muslim invasion at the Battle of Tours in 732 and preserved Europe as a Christian land was a Frank--a German; William the Conqueror a.k.a. William duke of Normandy who consolidated the English crown was the descendant of the Viking Chieftain Rollo; and our unanimous favorite-- the ever conquering Napoleon Bonaparte was a Corsican from a noble Italian family with a healthy libido and a fatal attraction to poison. Now I can see why you're a Francophile. And a History buff at that! Good luck, good sailing and may your days be filled with Francomania!
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:34   #155
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Re: The End of Paper Nautical Charts

Actually Isla Sala Y Gomez IS marked, but not well on CM93 (updated to 2011)
From Antofagasta, on a rumb line, If you stuck to the track, you's miss the Island by about 20 miles. More on a great circle route.

And, incidently, I used to carry paper charts, but in more recent years I've covered over 40,000 miles using solely electronic navigation, often without paper charts. Including in very remote areas in the Pacific and SE Asia. In some areas neither Paper nor Electronic are any damn good! I'm not passionate about it, but I prefer electronic, I do all my planning on electronic without a problem. I do carry a sextant, tables etc, (and a chronometer) but it's been a while! And if I don't have the chart I have cruising guides etc, and I could make a plotting grid.

There is no substitute for the mark one eyeball, and all nav data should be checked by at least 2 sources! Radar overlays are excellent for that!

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Old 12-11-2013, 18:24   #156
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Actually Isla Sala Y Gomez IS marked, but not well on CM93 (updated to 2011)
From Antofagasta, on a rumb line, If you stuck to the track, you's miss the Island by about 20 miles. More on a great circle route.


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Leisure Folios are not discontinued; only individual Leisure charts. And almost every other maritime country have some kind of their own "Leisure Folios" for their waters.

Most areas are covered by Imray. I've always found the Dutch and French coastal charts superior to the Admiralty ones anyway. Shall miss the Thames Estuary one though!

My friend is a deep sea pilot, every ship he goes on carries paper charts plus all the latest technology, light dues etc. etc.

My reply was in the context of suitability for parallel rules and modern charts. None of the charts u mention are suitable folded.


Many ships now have switch to IMO compliant ECDIS. hence official paper is no longer needed even though some ships carry it still.
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Many ships now have switch to IMO compliant ECDIS. hence official paper is no longer needed
Not if they have a JRC ECDIS

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/elect...4_Mar_2012.pdf

A warning about that comes out once a month on Chilean Navtex....
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A little teaser for people to try.

Using either OpenCPN or 'Burgle Brand' Cmap plot a route from Antofagasta to Easter Island.

Then try and figure out at what scale your electronic chart system will display Isla Sala y Gomez.

I would suggest a fair to middling chance you will hit it before you know its there if you don't at the very least have a chart of the S Pacific on the chart table.
Haven't looked at cm93 but a seconds glance on Google earth shows a massive sea floor ridge running east from easter island. Not just islands but sea mounts to look out for as well, they can produce some weird surface effects and are best avoided IMHO. So obviously an area to examine closely before and as you pass through.
Maybe not in the polarised internet, but in the real world for new passages doesn't nearly everyone check every source of nav data they can lay their hands on?
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have you ever heard of Leisure Chart Folios which are A2 sized charts


and regarding parallel rulers....


That's my boat! Or a sister ship. Where, pray tell, did that photo come from?
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Of course you could use Garmin route features to detect obstructions automatically . If you were using Garmin of course !

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Is there anywhere I can see how that works? When I try and find it anywhere in Garmin on the inet I just keep running into obstructions
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Is there anywhere I can see how that works? When I try and find it anywhere in Garmin on the inet I just keep running into obstructions
I believe its only in the software of the plotters, I don't believe homeport or those does it.

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That's my boat! Or a sister ship. Where, pray tell, did that photo come from?
very attractive . chart, Im a sucker for a good navigator.

note the compass rose in the top corner, now try paralleling up to that spot over the folds and the confines of the table fiddles!!!!


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very attractive . chart, Im a sucker for a good navigator.

note the compass rose in the top corner, now try paralleling up to that spot over the folds and the confines of the table fiddles!!!!


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Notice that there is a space underneath the drawers and sockets. It is roomy enough for the end of the Portland plotter to fit up under, so you can easily work with the Portland plotter. I haven't tried parallel rules because I don't use 'em.

The middle drawer is for your laptop, and holds it in a position which allows you to type on it and view the screen without disturbing the chart.

Works extremely well -- a great chart table. Thanks, Bill Dixon!
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Coastal Explorer and Furuno NavNet does this also.

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