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Old 11-07-2013, 08:17   #526
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Re: Schooner Nina - MERGED 3 THREADS

those who take off in wooden sail boats for the romance of the high seas are inarguably lunatics with a rare ingredient called poetry of soul. i know. i am one of them. and so i hope it is all right that i am sending this - in honor of those aboard Nina, and those of us keeping vigil. if i were in panama city today i would attend the service. but instead please know you are in my heart, my thoughts, my prayers...

If I were Joni Mitchell, I would probably write a song
About a boat without an engine, anchored in the drizzle all day long
But I'm not and I"ve forgot
How to make the salt, the rain, the sea
Resurrect the Poetry in Me

All I know is everything is wet
My hair, my jeans, my socks, worst of all, my cigarettes
There's no carnation for the El Pico
I long to be in Puerto Rico
Where Black Palm trees sway like silhouettes
Against lavender mass-manufactured sunsets

But tonight, when the winds begin to shriek
When Orion pushes through the fog and the boat begins to squeak
I'll listen to the waves that crash
And watch the moon like plexiglass
Shatter into a million chips upon the ocean

Then, amid the tumult and the commotion
Rising amid the frenzy of froth and spray and foam
Poetry will be set in Motion
And my heart will have a Home
And i'll think of all the harbors
Hidden beyond the seascape of tomorrow
Where, beneath the tropical eclipses,
The mast heads sway like a thousand crucifixes

written while crewing in 1988
aboard my first voyage

God Bless

from the shores of cyberspace,

Cowgirl of the Sea
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:24   #527
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Cowgirl:

Thank you.

Few words, many truths.

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Re: Schooner Nina - MERGED 3 THREADS

Ann..

As you see,I have started a PERMANENT thread on SAR - Save & Rescue which I think there is a need of on CF,and have entered Nina as the first, SAR-1 entry.
Enjoyed very much your poem....

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Well said, Cowgirl... you have captured the feeling of many of us who 'go down to the sea in ships'. I hope the families of those aboard Nina feel the hope and prayers of all of us who have been there and come home. Phil
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It wasn't me, it was Cowgirl of the Sea. Thanks for the good wishes.

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Old 11-07-2013, 16:50   #531
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For those interested regarding Nina's engine..


Hi Cherie,
David had done a very good job on the install and had adhered to as much of
the advice that we gave him as he was able to
There was a few things such as the water intake that was not big enough to
allow maximum water flow to the engine at full throttle
Also the fuel lines were not of the correct size. These things would need to
be rectified before the warranty was signed off
The engine was quite capable of attaining full power however because of the
drive line alignment issues david chose not to go any higher in the rpm
On the sea trial the vessel motored at 6.5knots at 1600rpm. David was happy
running at a lower rpm that gave them 4-5 knots.
David was aware of the issues with the warranty and drive line and as he was
out of time he decided to address these issues when the vessel was slipped
in Australia
The issues with the fuel lines and water intake would not have caused any
problems at the lower rpm.
I trust this will help
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I don't know where it's berthed but would it be useful to look at or contact the owner of Niņa's sister ship, Niņita?

http://www.classicyacht.info/modules...tail-1587.html
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Any help would be appreciated!

Hi all,

Please see the attached bitmap image which shows an area which will be viewed by satellite tomorrow.
However, as you see from the email, we need to find people with the software to view it. (For example the company in New Zealand called poyry )

Would it be possible to progress this please.

As the email say's even if we identify a pixel sized object we will have to eliminate other vessels.

Maybe TES will be able to view it.


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Hi Cherie,

what is the data format and what is the required software. In this space there may well be open source software. If there is I'm happy to take a chunk of the data and to spend time going through it.

I recall that there was a pilot lost in the California or Nevada desert a few years ago and they crowd sourced the process of reviewing satellite images. I believe that Google played a part in that, and I certainly spent many hours reviewing images.

If you can get more info or if Shakti Gurl is able to point us in the right direction for software I am more than happy to spend time poring over images.

Edit: The pilot was of course Steve Fossett.
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It's great that this satellite data will be available. The authors and references in this link about crowd-sourced search and rescue might be useful: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/Te...S-2010-142.pdf

I'm certainly willing to help sift through images and maybe help provide a first pass info quality control. As this UC-Berkley article suggests, data validation is a huge problem. We could post this request for help to slashdot, mention missing computer guru Evi Nemeth and probably have hundreds or thousands of techies willing to help. But in the search for Jim Gray, they found that as more people got involved, the quality of each piece of information diminished. Is that white pixel a boat or a cloud? Is latitude/long expressed in HHD:MM:SS or HHD.DDD? Even in this little thread we've speculated as to whether a group of numbers are account numbers, phone numbers, skype numbers, telemarketers and someone even confused call durations with IP addresses. People are good at seeing patterns even where they don't exist. The Jim Gray rescue team quickly had to make their crowd-SAR a relatively small closed forum.

AFAIK the crowdsourcing SAR data management software the article said was missing doesn't yet exist but I'll see what I can find in the opensource world.

Pelorus32 is correct, whatever the format, there is opensource software to convert it to something viewable on a standard PC. How do we eliminate false positives from other ships in the area? Jim Gray's SAR team used the length of the vessel as a first pass. If the resolution is high enough, you might also use the shape from the ship's plan. Does anyone know Nina's exact location at the Whangerei, NZ town basin marina? Is this it in google map's satellite view? http://goo.gl/maps/rJyrN

Let me know if/when you'd like to try to post a request to slashdot or if there are other "loose end tieing" activities I can help with remotely (from Ireland.)
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Do you know who is providing the imagery? Will they make it available through an FTP site? It will most likely be a geotiff so many programs could be used to view it but will probably be very large. I use ENVI but it is not open source. If it is a format not accepted by standard paintshop type programs, then I could save it into another format. I could also cut it up into smaller pieces and re-post for others to view.
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Sent emails to those involved doing this imaging. Will find out. Cherie
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The image will be in in geotiff format, you can open it in many software for remote sensing and GIS (for example, ENVI, ERDAS, ArcGis). The pixels will have quite good geographic information (coordinates) "

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Cherie...

I am specializing in map making and navigation program developments,and also an active SAR contributor. As such,I would appreciate receiving a copy of this geotiff file for inspection and future SAR possibilities.

Could you also send me the email or URL of the company providing the satellite imagery?

We still have an unsolved mystery of the s.y. Lady Domina´s disappearance in April this year on her presumed route St Martin to Norway via the Azores we might also be able to shed further light on.

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Cherie,

count me in for some computing time when you get the images.

Can you post the times (past or future) of the satellite pass(es)?

With those, I would like to reach out to the Kiwi contingent to see if we can find any sailboats known to be at sea at a known position at the time of the satellite pass(es). Having a few known targets in the search area would be a great way of testing and calibrating detections. Could even be folks out for a daysail as long as they are away from the docks and out in some body of water that shows up in the images. Would want to know the following:

Position
Time
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