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View Poll Results: Should navigational aids be discontinued?
Yes! We have GPS and chartplotters now. They just get in the way now! 6 7.50%
No, they are a useful backup to the GPS/Plotter/Microwave/Vibrator thing that blinks at me as I drive the boat. 74 92.50%
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Old 19-06-2011, 21:56   #136
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Re: Navigational Aids are a Waste of Money !

Shhhh! with the pilot idea. A lot of those paradises don't have buoys today in most of their harbors. Good thing that they never thought of charging us cruisers for pilots
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Old 19-06-2011, 22:01   #137
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Nick you got me wrong. I personally don't care if your cockpit or anyone elses is lit up like a Madam LaRue Pinball machine with sophisticated electronics. Yes they will help you. The thread is about whether Navigational Aids are a waste of money and are they really needed. You might be able to get into a harbor just using your electronics, charts etc... and no navigational aids. Others may not because they don't have the electronics you do or they may have failed and will no longer have navigational aids to help them. My point is if other boats end up on the rocks outside of the harbor spilling diesel, oil etc... on the waters too often because there are no navigational aids. The local authorities may REQUIRE you and all other cruising boats to take on a "pilot" whether you like it or not and no matter how much electronics and experience you have. Of course the local authorities will say it is a safety issue and not just a revenue producer.
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Old 19-06-2011, 22:07   #138
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Shhhh! with the pilot idea. A lot of those paradises don't have buoys today in most of their harbors. Good thing that they never thought of charging us cruisers for pilots
Oops! Sorry. Forget I even mentioned it.
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Old 20-06-2011, 06:05   #139
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Nick you got me wrong.
Pls. read my posts... I just explained how one can enter these bays/harbors without any electronics at all. This is assuming the eyeballs still work...

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Old 20-06-2011, 07:33   #140
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Attached is a screen capture of part of Singapore Straits - we were talking about it in another thread.

Have a look at this traffic seperation zone.

Note my 5nm scale line.

See how FEW nav aids there are? Notice NONE are channel markers! Including where seperated traffic lanes close together again.

Pull it up on your charts and have a look. Its fun


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Those cardinal marks would be very helpful. They seem reasonably close together. I have a buddy whose done this passage several times, single-handed, at night on deliveries from Koh Samui to Phuket. I'd have to ask him, but I suspect he was very happy to have these marks.
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Re: Navigational Aids are a Waste of Money !

Good point, eliminating nav aids makes us dependent on electronic charts being accurate as well as there being any electronic charts for the area.
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Remember there is nothing wrong looking through the window. On the other hand, you can end up into plenty of touble by not doing so.
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Interesting comments from Boasun and MarkJ... I showed them to my neighbor who is a Third Mate deck officer on a tanker that they are picking up in Singapore in 3 weeks. Even with the Nav Aids and control tower, I was told it a nightmare get an LCC or VLCC in and out of that area. MarkJ is correct... much of the rest of the world has little in the way of Nav Aids in the amount or reliability that the US does. Anyone who relies on less than every piece of navigation info available is not acting responsibly IMHO. Capt Phil
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