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Old 15-01-2019, 12:22   #16
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If you research this you'll find that they expect the poles to reverse, in other words the North pole will be in Antarctica, some serious variation there. It was said that the last time this happened was 780,000 years ago. Add climate change to this and navigation may be the least of your problems.

Maybe this is what is driving the 'Climate Change' aka different wind patterns..
The Artic Jet Stream is reaching much further South than a decade ago for a start..
We know so much about little and little about a lot..
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Old 15-01-2019, 12:24   #17
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If you research this you'll find that they expect the poles to reverse, in other words the North pole will be in Antarctica, some serious variation there. It was said that the last time this happened was 780,000 years ago. Add climate change to this and navigation may be the least of your problems.
Fish. You forgot to blame Donald Trump in your analysis. There is an edit button.....
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So much for those dependable compasses and charts with rocks that don't move from 1896. Who knew that the poles would shift before GPS satellites fell from the sky resulting in armageddon?

Hold onto those iPads!

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...1611547434485/
good luck all- you will be lost and pointed in the wrong direction
check out the armageddon on the GPS as well.
https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/sites/d...n_GPS_2019.pdf

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Fish. You forgot to blame Donald Trump in your analysis. There is an edit button.....
I wouldn't blame this on Trump, it's far too complex for him to even imagine or comprehend.
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Maybe this is what is driving the 'Climate Change' aka different wind patterns..
The Artic Jet Stream is reaching much further South than a decade ago for a start..
We know so much about little and little about a lot..
Warming in the arctic is causing slowing in the jet stream which allows the polar vortexes to spin south.
All the melting in Greenland is stalling the thermohaline circulation. Which basically means the Gulf Stream is being weakened and the northeastern US and Northern Europe will have colder winter weather while the earth overall becomes warmer.
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Re: Magnetic Pole Shift causing Armageddon!

Trent: One doesn’t have to rely on UPI. We can go strait to the source(s):
BTW: Due to the ongoing US federal government shutdown, this WMM update has been delayed from January 15 to January 30, 2019.

Donald: You’d be very wrong.

The WMM is a joint effort from BGS and the US’ NOAA NCEI, on behalf of the UK’s Defence Geographic Centre and the US’ National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

World Magnetic Model - National Geophysical Data Center - NOAA
https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/WMM/
and NOAA.gov in general are not available at this time, due to a lapse in appropriation (the Shut-Down).

But the BGS - WMM is available:
British Geological Survey BGS Geomagnetism | British Geological Survey | Space weather, magnetic models, geomagnetic data, observatories
Specifically World Magnetic Model (WMM) | BGS Geomagnetism
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"So much for those dependable compasses and charts with rocks that don't move from 1896. Who knew that the poles would shift before GPS satellites fell from the sky resulting in armageddon?"
Ergh....every person who had any formal training in navigation or map and compass use? Or anyone who read Bowditch in the past hundred years?

I would submit that anyone who was not aware that magnetic poles are constantly changing, is unqualified to navigate a boat or plane, and should stick to railroad trains, where compass bearings are less of an issue.(G)
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So much for those dependable compasses and charts with rocks that don't move from 1896. Who knew that the poles would shift before GPS satellites fell from the sky resulting in armageddon?

Hold onto those iPads!

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...1611547434485/
As to navigating, no problem mate. Just use a corrected chart. Reference image below, albeit this southern orientation map with the present magnetic pole configuration would in fact needs its compass rose inverted.

After all our "North Pole is presently in fact the north facing pole, it is magnetically a south pole. Note use of capital for place and lower case for denoting magnetism.

As to a temporary loss of the protection of the earth's magnetic field that could be a big problem. One may be in need of some serious UV protection.
The earth's magnetic field serves to deflect most of the solar wind, whose charged particles would otherwise strip away the ozone layer that protects the Earth from harmful ultraviolet radiation.
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There will be a time period perhaps a few decades with multiple poles and greatly reduced field. The solar wind will no longer be deflected which could be extremely harmful.



Without the magnetic field we wouldn't have much of an atmosphere, but it takes much more than the reversal period of a few years to strip it away.
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It's about time we returned to natural order with Australia on top.
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It's about time we returned to natural order with Australia on top.

Living Upover, with States properly renamed as:

New North Wales,
North Australia,
and Eastern Australia.

And don't forget there will be the Southern Territory for Darwin.

Plus there will be Australian Artic Territory.

But of most difficulty will be that y'all going to need to learn drive on the proper side of your roadways.
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"So much for those dependable compasses and charts with rocks that don't move from 1896. Who knew that the poles would shift before GPS satellites fell from the sky resulting in armageddon?"
Ergh....every person who had any formal training in navigation or map and compass use? Or anyone who read Bowditch in the past hundred years?

I would submit that anyone who was not aware that magnetic poles are constantly changing, is unqualified to navigate a boat or plane, and should stick to railroad trains, where compass bearings are less of an issue.(G)
Hahahahaha - Yes, this. But I think the current rate of change is the highlight here. Obviously, this is what Trump and Putin were discussing, and have supressed lest it cause widespread panic amongst the cruising community. So if you see a Russian submarine approaching your marina, do not assume imminent armageddon...prolly just be a bit off course
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Montatan! Thank you so much for sharing those updated charts ! I can see clearly now, why I could not get to where I wasn't going !
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Once when using my magnetic compass input to my autopilot I noticed from a reputable source that there was considerable magnetic dip in the locale. So why didn't my yacht follow that dip and head undersea eh? Magnetism? It's all a "lode" of rubbish.
My boat goes where SWMBO directs it and that's that.
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Look at the bright side, you're not flying passengers on the bus with wings.
What's the worse that can happen on a boat? That is if you not paying attention..
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