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Old 02-12-2019, 18:00   #1231
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

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Not trying to be sarcastic but look up how well that CFC reduction thing is doing. Seems since 2013 it hasnít been working so well.
Yeah, I saw that. China loves that CFC-11. Still, the world did come together on that one. Mostly.
Now if we could also get China to cut a little plastic ocean pollution. Just a little?
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Love that the wealthy can afford to purchase the "right" to pollute.

It has ever been thus, only the church used to call them "indulgences"
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Yeah, I saw that. China loves that CFC-11. Still, the world did come together on that one. Mostly.

Now if we could also get China to cut a little plastic ocean pollution. Just a little?


I donít think thatís China,
I believe, and this sounds absurd so itís likely incorrect but that the majority of the Oceans plastic comes from three rivers in SE Asia.
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It has been a privilege to have helped Riley and Elayna sail Greta and her father safely to Europe, and ultimately to her family and her home. Being part of this project is something Iíll remember for the rest of my life. Itís been an opportunity to deepen my understanding of the climate emergency; to make five new friends; and best of all, to enjoy and share the purity, the perspective, and the peace that sailing across an ocean provides."
Nicky writes very well and enhances the spirit of how we should approach dynamic issues...

...."best of all, to enjoy and share the purity, the perspective, and the peace that sailing across an ocean provides."
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

Being preached to by one percenters (this entire crew and our own spoiled child of a Prime minister) who purchase the right to pollute just grates on me a bit. Hey, what the hell I'm human.

Gotta say tho' her writing is superb. She'll get a best seller out of this, probably already sold the movie rights.
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I don’t think that’s China,
I believe, and this sounds absurd so it’s likely incorrect but that the majority of the Oceans plastic comes from three rivers in SE Asia.
I read it was 10 rivers in China.
I think the truth is that is is spread out much more.
(why can't we use technology to catch the stuff at the river mouth??)
Here is an interesting interactive map of the polluting rivers...
https://theoceancleanup.com/sources/
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Nikki was a great choice - a genuinely good, caring and empathic person with the skillset they needed.... who also actually writes quite well. I've been curious how they 'found' her - as she was not the obvious choice. I am glad they did not get one of the many 'big ego/low empathy' self-proclaimed 'rock stars'.
Iíve had many of these same thoughts - just overall a great choice. Additionally, Iíd have loved to be a fly on the wall from the initial discussions about should they offer to sail Greta over and how to pull the passage together.
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Being preached to by one percenters (this entire crew and our own spoiled child of a Prime minister) who purchase the right to pollute just grates on me a bit. Hey, what the hell I'm human.

Gotta say tho' her writing is superb. She'll get a best seller out of this, probably already sold the movie rights.
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Yeah, so do I. She will likely use the profits to promote the decreased use of fossil fuels by everyone.
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Yeah, so do I. She will likely use the profits to promote the decreased use of fossil fuels by everyone.
else.
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I read it was 10 rivers in China.
I think the truth is that is is spread out much more.
(why can't we use technology to catch the stuff at the river mouth??)
Here is an interesting interactive map of the polluting rivers...
https://theoceancleanup.com/sources/

Good news, theyíve now got Interceptors on 3, or maybe even 4, of the top rivers. The amount of plastic and other stuff they catch actually pays for the installation and provides revenue for the local government. This is an environmental organisation that I can get behind - not virtue signalling, but doing hard, pioneering work to solve a concrete problem that is much more imminent than the climate change bs. https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/
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Good news, they’ve now got Interceptors on 3, or maybe even 4, of the top rivers. The amount of plastic and other stuff they catch actually pays for the installation and provides revenue for the local government. This is an environmental organisation that I can get behind - not virtue signalling, but doing hard, pioneering work to solve a concrete problem that is much more imminent than the climate change bs. https://theoceancleanup.com/rivers/
This was worth waking up for, and something which people can get behind. Thanks for the link.
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I donít think thatís China,
I believe, and this sounds absurd so itís likely incorrect but that the majority of the Oceans plastic comes from three rivers in SE Asia.
A gross mis-interpreation of a couple of studies which have been conflated. Scientific American seems to be source of the meme.


One study estimates abut 8 million tons of plastic a year entering the oceans.


Another study estimated that 88 to 95 percent of the plastic transported by 1,350 large rivers around the world ó referred to by scientists as riverine waste ó comes from only 10 rivers, all of which are in Asia and Africa


(Specifically, Yangtze, Yellow, Hai, Pearl, Amur, Mekong, Indus and Ganges Delta in Asia, and the Niger and Nile in Africa - note that the first four are indeed in China and the fifth is on China's norther border)


The study estimated that between 0.41 and 4 million metric tons of plastic waste in oceans derives from rivers. (Note the huge error margin!)



So we are talking aout 90% of somewhere between 5% and 50% of ocean plastic coming from 10 rivers.
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Discussion of weather, routing, seamanship of La Vag's crossing - no politics or climate discussion pls.
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Re: La Vagabonde's crossing

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Discussion of weather, routing, seamanship of La Vag's crossing - no politics or climate discussion pls.

The usual climate change squabble has completely derailed this excellent thread, so a number of posts have been deleted.


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Apparently now in the river estuary , would love to be there for this moment , which may turn out to be a momentous event ,
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