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Old 03-12-2014, 23:08   #241
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Re: iPad and Navionics Question

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So does it matter if I get the original iPad(my son said not to get that), 2nd gen or 3rd gen?
Yes, it matters.

The original has no gps.

Look for the cell antenna-- ask an Apple fool to show you the difference between an iPad with an antenna and an iPad without it. Then make sure the one you buy has the antenna. If it has the antenna, it will work. If it doesn't, it won't.
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Ipad 3 has Retina display, if all you use it for is for navigation the 16g unit would be sufficient. Also look into the iPad mini, the screen is large enough for plotting and its a lot cheaper than the full sized unit, in some cases also more manageable. Mini also comes with Retina, but you also have the choice of a regular display, cell phone etc.


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The iPad 3G/4G models have a GPS receiver that works independently of a cell or WiFi service/subscription/connection. A 3G/4G model can be verified by launching "Settings" app, and seeing if "Cellular Data" is an available choice on the left hand column.
So THATS the reason the iPad2 i just bought doesn't work for Blue Charts.

The iPad 3 come with AT&T wi-fi or Verizon? AT&T works well in the Bahamas. What about BVI?
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Pricey, agreed.

Ipad 4 32gb cellular ($515 new on eBay shipped) + Snow Lizard case ($175) = $690

Add a Ram mount which can range from $15-50 depending on mount type.

So $700 bucks gives you a wireless chartplotter with WiFi and Bluetooth capability, great screen and multi touch, native music playback, and can be removed from the boat whenever. I'd say compared to a chartplotter from one of the big names would most likely be the same price but it only does one thing compared to the ipad.

I'll be going with this setup for the foreseeable future.. Probably get a dedicated screen deal when I get a radar down the road.

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Hi clifflyon
Perhaps you should read the other messages as well, but for your benefit I will state. It again..
There are two flavors of ipad, those that are cell enabled and those that only have wifi this regardless of the version (1 2 3 or the latest iPad Air). The ones that are cell enabled also have the GPS chip but the chip does not require an Internet connection anymore than your car GPS does. It's just that Apple installed the chip on cell enabled iPads.
If you have no GPS your charting software will not track, you'll be able to plot, see the chart but you won't know where you are. If you buy a Bluetooth GPS then the iPad will receive the position and technically you will have GPS. Simple eh?
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So THATS the reason the iPad2 i just bought doesn't work for Blue Charts.

The iPad 3 come with AT&T wi-fi or Verizon? AT&T works well in the Bahamas. What about BVI?
The cellular chips inside the ipad work with all networks, just pop in your sim card. I could be mistaken, and I know there are a lot of back and forth online forums about it. But, the actual data bands chips are all identical. So maybe a Verizon ipad would work with a BVI telco sim card. Don't know, but the ipad can physically do it.

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The GPS chips don't require Internet access and don't depend on any service provider, all they do is interpret a time signal from seven or eight satellites and triangulate it into latitude and longitude. The GPS navigation software then places the marker on the right spot on the map. Internet access is not necessary... Try it with your iPhone, don't allow acces to cellular data and the GPS will still work.
Just buy the cell enabled iPad but don't bother buying a SIM card or a plan unless you want Internet connectivity.


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The GPS chips don't require Internet access and don't depend on any service provider, all they do is interpret a time signal from seven or eight satellites and triangulate it into latitude and longitude. The GPS navigation software then places the marker on the right spot on the map. Internet access is not necessary... Try it with your iPhone, don't allow acces to cellular data and the GPS will still work.
Just buy the cell enabled iPad but don't bother buying a SIM card or a plan unless you want Internet connectivity.


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No I know that, but they asked about the sim working in the Caribbean.. (:

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No I know that, but they asked about the sim working in the Caribbean.. (:

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Oh ok, sorry about that , they work up here in Canada if he wants to do some ice sailing :-)


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Before purchasing the Bad Elf check out the XGPS150A from Dual.

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- See more at: http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-pro...gps150a/#.dpuf


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But bad elf is such a cool name :-) thanks for the tip, I'll certainly look into it.


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I've run the dual for the last couple of years, just plug it into a 12V outlet or USB charger and forget about it, it stays charged that way and you Ipad can be anywhere on the boat and it works.
I went with the Dual for flying as the Apple built in GPS chip is not as accurate, important for flying, not so much for a boat, but the Dual and all other GPS's that will work with an apple product will also work with a windows / Android as well. But it will not do both simultaneously, you have to flip a little switch, but it's a great GPS for Open CPN too.

I should say all GPS's that I know of that will work with an Apple product will also do windows, but beware Apple uses some sort of proprietary language or something, the vast majority of blue tooth GPS's will not work with an Apple product, you must have one that specifies it will
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Anyone know if the direction of the current is a feature that will be put in place?
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Has anyone tried the Bad Elf GPS units that plugs into an iPad or iPhone or iTouch?


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Has anyone tried the Bad Elf GPS units that plugs into an iPad or iPhone or iTouch?


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I don't like them as they are fragile, and eat battery power. what makes the fragile is they are an appendage hanging by the plug
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