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Old 20-03-2011, 06:42   #16
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Re: I want to use my Mac Book as a chart plotter

There is a dedicated forum for mac sailing stuff Mac Sailing it has coverage of Polar Navy Mac ENC GPS NAVX and a lot of ipad iphone apps - might be worth a look.

And Jeffrey - I disagreed with you on GPS NavX - not out of some misplaced loyalty to someone I had given money to - I just think you are wrong, you say it is fairly basic, but it will take AIS inputs, do grib file presentation etc, I really cant think of too much more I need from it.
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I thought I made it quite clear. The Mac version shouldn't be used for any use except by a developer to test it. Any other use it dumb and dangerous.

Will it possibly be better in the future? Maybe.

Is it as reliable as any commercial product today? Not that I've seen - Windows version included on that. Only one navigation product out of the 12 I test with crashes on me. You know, a free product can end up being the most expensive one you'll ever use sometimes.

I'm beginning to think that with applications like PolarView with an incredibly reasonable price, advanced features, and great reliability, OpenCPN's advantages are dwindling away.

Products are more than just the written license you click "Accept" for. OCPN has become too unreliable for me. Perhaps that will improve with time. I'm done messing around with it for now.
I think the point being missed by some (being nice) is these programs are not computer games. They can mean life or death would you like to find that your cruise ship captain used a free bit of software to save money just as the bow disappeared below the surface. Free for some is all that matters no matter what.
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Re: I want to use my Mac Book as a chart plotter

Guys... It is a free beta version that (IMHO) will have the bugs worked out in time. Give it a chance. Some of the comments in this thread are a bit snippy and I think unfair. Please try to articulate your opinions as adults.
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And Jeffrey - I disagreed with you on GPS NavX...I really cant think of too much more I need from it.
I sort of think that as you're coming to the edge of a chart, it's a pretty nice thing to see the next chart before you fall off the edge. GPSNavX doesn't do that. It's more like a chart file display program - one file at a time.

As a file display program, GPXNavX will only show the chart in its native orientation (usually north up). There's no facility for rotating a chart in course/heading-up. This is one of the most basic navigation features of any electronic navigation product - even available on my iPhone in multiple products (iNavX included). And yet, in GPSNavX...it's not there.

If you really felt that GPSNavX did everything you wanted, I doubt you would have purchased MacENC in addition at triple the cost of the original GPSNavX purchase.

To put this all into perspective, PolarView costs 33% less than GPSNavX and 78% less than MacENC. If you step back with an honest look at it all, PolarView stands out.
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Re: I want to use my Mac Book as a chart plotter

I can't get PolarView for Mac to go for more than 5 minutes without crashing. Other than that I like it.
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I can't get PolarView for Mac to go for more than 5 minutes without crashing. Other than that I like it.
Yeah...total of 4 postings by ehh - no possibility of a competitor there or someone trying to just trash the product. Ya gotta watch out for those zealots out there. You're not ever allowed to say something critical about their beloved product. I mean, really, how childish is this.

I run all the apps while underway and have done extensive testing. PolarView doesn't crash on the Mac. ehh - it's a total lie.


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Looking just a touch deeper, ehh has made 4 postings. Two of those were in the OpenCPN section about the Mac version.
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Re: I want to use my Mac Book as a chart plotter

I'm not the zealot. I actually do like PolarView. But it does crash. I'm just scrolling around and zooming in and out, looking at charts. I've been a programmer for 30 years and I do know what a crash looks like. It's doesn't mean that it's bad software, but it needs to be fixed.


Process: PolarView [798]
Path: /Volumes/PolarView/PolarView.app/Contents/MacOS/PolarView
Identifier: PolarView
Version: ??? (1.4)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [93]

Date/Time: 2011-03-20 13:31:28.610 -0400
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.6 (10J567)
Report Version: 6

Interval Since Last Report: 228940 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 4
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 2
Anonymous UUID: 7BB0D57E-5567-4549-A1D9-D0DBB357012A

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 2

Thread 0: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x96329142 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9632ec46 pthread_mutex_lock + 490
2 PolarView 0x0013df5e LoaderTileDraw(loader_st*, tile_st*) + 158
3 PolarView 0x0013f361 S57ViewDrawDirect(view_st*) + 385
4 PolarView 0x0013fdc9 S57ViewDraw(view_st*, int) + 313
5 PolarView 0x00152f91 viewTransform(view_st*, int, int, int) + 529
6 PolarView 0x00028cdc mapViewFrame::rescaleView() + 156
7 PolarView 0x000375b0 mapViewFrame::OnKeyDown(wxKeyEvent&) + 2064
8 PolarView 0x0052e403 wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEn tryBase const&, wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 131
9 PolarView 0x0052f094 wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 212
10 PolarView 0x0052f14c wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 156
11 PolarView 0x00384189 wxApp::MacSendKeyDownEvent(wxWindow*, long, long, long, short, short, wchar_t) + 169
12 PolarView 0x003ebd6f wxMacTopLevelEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRe f*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 1039
13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981c5ecf DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1567
14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981c5196 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
15 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981c4ff5 SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 58
16 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981f97ff ToolboxEventDispatcherHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCa llRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 1957
17 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981c6320 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 2672
18 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981c5196 SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 411
19 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x981e7a07 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
20 PolarView 0x00382f8f wxApp::MacHandleOneEvent(void*) + 47
21 PolarView 0x0038309b wxApp::MacDoOneEvent() + 123
22 PolarView 0x0039e2b3 wxEventLoop:ispatch() + 35
23 PolarView 0x004334b8 wxEventLoopManual::Run() + 136
24 PolarView 0x0040d0dd wxAppBase::MainLoop() + 77
25 PolarView 0x004e2f1a wxEntry(int&, wchar_t**) + 138
26 PolarView 0x00025138 main + 24
27 PolarView 0x000225b6 _start + 216
28 PolarView 0x000224dd start + 41

Thread 1: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9634f982 kevent + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9635009c _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9634f559 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9634f2fe _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9634ed81 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9634ebc6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2 Crashed:
0 PolarView 0x000d08bf X2PolyClip + 47
1 PolarView 0x000d2876 GTClipRing2Box + 150
2 PolarView 0x00163f07 BSBTileDraw(tile_st*, area_info_st*) + 407
3 PolarView 0x0013e074 LoaderTileDraw(loader_st*, tile_st*) + 436
4 PolarView 0x0013e212 LoaderGetTileDraw(loader_st*, tile_holder_st*) + 146
5 PolarView 0x0013e76f LoaderBGRun(void*) + 559
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9635685d _pthread_start + 345
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x963566e2 thread_start + 34

Thread 2 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0xb018de70 ebx: 0x00000000 ecx: 0x00000010 edx: 0xb018de70
edi: 0x00000000 esi: 0x00000000 ebp: 0xb018da68 esp: 0xb018da40
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010282 eip: 0x000d08bf cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x0000001f gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x00000000

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Why does it always have to go there?

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Yeah...total of 4 postings by ehh - no possibility of a competitor there or someone trying to just trash the product. Ya gotta watch out for those zealots out there. You're not ever allowed to say something critical about their beloved product. I mean, really, how childish is this.

I run all the apps while underway and have done extensive testing. PolarView doesn't crash on the Mac. ehh - it's a total lie.


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Looking just a touch deeper, ehh has made 4 postings. Two of those were in the OpenCPN section about the Mac version.
Hmmm. Didn't take you long to go there... Trying to discount something someone says because of who they are or their affiliations or how many posts they have.

I think you should be able to realize it is natural for someone to question your motives based on your commercial product. Doesn't make it right, just natural for people to think that.

I think it's OK for you to question someone elses motives.

But your attack on ehh seems a little over the top. You called him a lair, but from his post, I think he proved you wrong. (And I have to commend ehh for responding so maturely.)

I would have thought that with your job running a company and dealing with vendors/suppliers/partners, that you would have learned how to effectively communicate ideas while remaining open minded. Indeed, until now I respected you for how you presented your ideas and responded to posts. But now, for me anyway, you've lost credibility.

I'm saying this because I like you. And it bothers me when something happens that reduces my opinion of someone I like.

-dan

PS I don't think there are many people in the OpenCPN forum that have anything against PolarView. As a matter of fact, brak, the owner/author has been in there often and has made constructive posts. He has been welcomed there.
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I'm not the zealot. I actually do like PolarView. But it does crash. I'm just scrolling around and zooming in and out, looking at charts. I've been a programmer for 30 years and I do know what a crash looks like. It's doesn't mean that it's bad software, but it needs to be fixed.
ehh,

- What version of PolarView are you using?

- Is the crash reproducible? I.e. - is there a specific set of conditions/location/chart types used/scale level, under which it happens?

- I'd be glad to look into this, in particular if this is the current release and the problem can be reproduced (I know, developers like deterministic problems).

It would be great if you could reply with this additional information by email or through web site feedback page, since it is likely that I'll need more information on this. Use this link for feedback page.

More generally, PolarView is a software and software fails from time to time That said, PolarView has been tested to run underway for periods of 7-10 days non-stop (on an Atlantic crossing, on crossing to Bermuda etc), and I'd like to keep it that way if possible.

P.S. From the module list it looks like you are using PolarView 1.4. I think I recognize the crash pattern too. If that is correct, could you please try PolarView 1.5 and see if the issue is still present?

This issue is likely to not manifest itself in the upcoming release (even if not fixed), because raster chart handling is being completely revamped, so it would be great to make sure the problem is solved before it gets "masked" by something else
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Re: I want to use my Mac Book as a chart plotter

I have been looking at the Polar Navy web site, and i like what I see. I want to thank everyone for your input. Not in a million years did i think my original question would spark such a debate. Once again, thanks to ALL of you for your input.
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What this whole debate has taught me is Macs are still not the way to go much as I like many of their features.
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What this whole debate has taught me is Macs are still not the way to go much as I like many of their features.
You must mean "MacOS" instead of "Mac" because you can't find navigation software for it that you like enough? But that should not stop you from going for a Mac! I also find Windows nav-software better, so that's what I run on my Mac.

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You must mean "MacOS" instead of "Mac" because you can't find navigation software for it that you like enough? But that should not stop you from going for a Mac! I also find Windows nav-software better, so that's what I run on my Mac.

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Yes and previous experience had me running into many such compatibilty problems. Add to that it being much more expensive I look like I will stay with Windows. Regards Michael
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Summary is that if we want a Mac Native program, Polar Navy is THE tool for the job?
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Summary is that if we want a Mac Native program, Polar Navy is THE tool for the job?
Yes it looks that way to me... the problem for me is the price of the charts: a Caribbean chart pack costs $1,250.- while the similar pack from Furuno (Navnet3D & MaxSea) costs $350.-

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