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Old 05-10-2016, 11:10   #1
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Every online forum these days seems to be filled with questions about what to do to prepare for the approaching Matthew, and most, if not all, advice seems to focus on lines, fenders and anchors – anything to tie the boat down.

Admittedly, I have no experience dealing with hurricanes, but since I am in the process of buying a boat in Florida, I am trying to learn the “tricks of the trade”.

Therefore, I will greatly appreciate some thoughts on the logical alternative to the “tie down”, namely to head out into the open waters, assuming one would have time enough to reach beyond the path of the hurricane’s eye.

For example, with Matthew running its predicted course through the Bahamas towards the Florida coast, my instinct would be to get under sail and head out, as far out east of the Bahamas that I could reach.

Am I crazy?
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Did you notice the other depression to the east? You're better off up a creek tied to foliage than you are with huge wind driven seas


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Re: Hurricane

Yes you are, look at Nicole, if someone attempt to sail against the trades with a monster cane in the tail and you found something nasty like Nicole coming from the East, well game over, Canes are unpredictable and unless you run to a free hurricane area the idea to me sounds crazy, but each in their own...
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Re: Hurricane

Same thing that happens to all slow people on the dodge ball court. Sooner or later you move too slow and get hit.

If they perfect the path predictions of hurricanes then what you say may be doable. As it currently is the variation 3 or 4 days out on their forecasts don't leave you much margin for error in a boat that only travels 100 - 150 miles per day.
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Every online forum these days seems to be filled with questions about what to do to prepare for the approaching Matthew, and most, if not all, advice seems to focus on lines, fenders and anchors – anything to tie the boat down.

Admittedly, I have no experience dealing with hurricanes, but since I am in the process of buying a boat in Florida, I am trying to learn the “tricks of the trade”.

Therefore, I will greatly appreciate some thoughts on the logical alternative to the “tie down”, namely to head out into the open waters, assuming one would have time enough to reach beyond the path of the hurricane’s eye.

For example, with Matthew running its predicted course through the Bahamas towards the Florida coast, my instinct would be to get under sail and head out, as far out east of the Bahamas that I could reach.

Am I crazy?

Heading to sea on a small recreational boat to get away from a hurricane is an awfully risky move. These storms are huge, and their movements are not all that well predicted a few days out.

Let's say that you decided to head to sea from FL right now- you would be upwind trying to get offshore. Your mileage made good wouldn't be very much. What if the storm turns more east? What if you get offshore but not far enough? You're then in the dangerous semicircle of the storm, and odds are that this will not be a survivable situation for most cruising boats.

Remember, a boat is just an object, as much as we love them. For a major storm such as this, there isn't a boat in the world worth risking your life for. A nice hotel about 150 miles inland would be my choice.

Anyway, regarding the original question, I would be very, very reluctant to attempt this unless I was very close to the equator and was quite sure I could get into the equatorial safe zone well before the arrival of the system. Otherwise, the risks are just really too great for this guy.

Some may disagree, just my two cents.

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if you left now you would die.
if you left tomorrow you would die twice.
if you wait 3 days you could die 3 times.
not only do you kids have natty boy and nikky girl you also have a wannabe sitting behind mattys wake.

how many matthew threads do we now have--is it up to 5 yet--can we merge some??
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ok, another zero experience person here.

If everybody knew 5 days ahead of time that this was in the works, how far would you get motor sailing going west in 5 days.
I rarely see the hurricanes going west of jamaica.
Is it awful out in that direction also from the hurricanes when they go thru?
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5 days out there is a big difference between "knowing it is in the works" and knowing where it will be in 5 days. So as other posters have said, you are just guessing/rolling the dice.

But your other question, about range/distance, is just math. 5 days is 120 hours. At 5 knots, that's 600 nm. At 6 knots, it's 720 nm. Add or subtract as neccessary for currents and/or points of sail.

As for where hurricanes do and don't go - Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao spend a significant portion of their tourist advertising dollars promoting the notion that they are outside the hurricane belt. Not true this year.

Big ships that move fast need, and can use, searoom. Small slow boats need protection, preferably on all 6 sides. Protection comes in different forms for each side.
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ok, another zero experience person here.

If everybody knew 5 days ahead of time that this was in the works, how far would you get motor sailing going west in 5 days.
I rarely see the hurricanes going west of jamaica.
Is it awful out in that direction also from the hurricanes when they go thru?

Even a slow boat should be able to make 120 miles a day, so 5 days assuming you had the fuel and the engine didn't conk out, 600 miles.
Trick of course is to make that decision and not procrastinate until it's too late.

The person that would have left last weekend from the Bahamas might also be the person that wouldn't have been there this time of year anyway. It would also appear that if you didn't get around the South end of Fl and get into the gulf, you may have only been jumping from the pan into the fire. Of course if you had a safe place to run to then that of course is different.


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ok where you get 120 miles a day? aint in a heavy displacement cruiser. ha ha ha ha ha not unless conditions are PERFECT, which rarely happens.
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5 kts motoring is not fast. In an economy cruise I make 6.5 kts. This is motoring or motor sailing not sailing


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mine does 65-90 daily.
miles.....
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mine does 65-90 daily.
miles.....

Motoring????

At slow economical speed we do 100+ a day


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She own a Formosa , what do you expect? LMAO
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She own a Formosa , what do you expect? LMAO

I've only got 26' of waterline!!!


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