Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 10-02-2011, 06:52   #1
Registered User
 
Captain Bill's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Punta Gorda, Fl
Boat: Endeavourcat Sailcat 44
Posts: 3,176
Chart Question for Maine Sailors

I've been planning a trip to maine this summer and came across an interesting item on the maine charts. There is a line labeled Territorial Sea, see Note X that runs from point to point from Ocean Point on Linekin Neck to Naskeag Point at the bottom of Eggemoggin Reach. This is not the normal curved territorial sea line one is used to seeing 3 miles or 12 miles off shore. Note X provides no useful information. Does anyone who frequents Maine know what the significance of this line is?
Captain Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 07:11   #2
Registered User
 
CharlesFCook's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 329
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to CharlesFCook
From: Tag:boundary=maritime - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Internal borders

If a country has defined the maritime borders of sub-national entities, this way should be included in boundary relations for these entities.
In the United States of America, NOAA nautical charts specify in Note X:
"Within the 12-nautical mile territorial sea, established by Presidential Proclamation, some federal laws apply. The Three Nautical Mile Line, previously identified as the outer limit of the territorial sea, is retained as it continues to depict the jurisdictional limit of the other laws. The 9-nautical mile Natural Resource Boundary off the Gulf coast of Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, and the Three Nautical Mile Line elsewhere remain in most cases the inner limit of Federal fisheries jurisdiction and the outer limit of the jurisdiction of the states. The 24-nautical mile Contiguous Zone and the 200-nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone were established by Presidential Proclamation. Unless fixed by treaty or the U.S. Supreme Court, these maritime limits are subject to modification."
CharlesFCook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 07:22   #3
Registered User
 
Captain Bill's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Punta Gorda, Fl
Boat: Endeavourcat Sailcat 44
Posts: 3,176
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesFCook View Post
From: Tag:boundary=maritime - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Internal borders

If a country has defined the maritime borders of sub-national entities, this way should be included in boundary relations for these entities.
In the United States of America, NOAA nautical charts specify in Note X:
"Within the 12-nautical mile territorial sea, established by Presidential Proclamation, some federal laws apply. The Three Nautical Mile Line, previously identified as the outer limit of the territorial sea, is retained as it continues to depict the jurisdictional limit of the other laws. The 9-nautical mile Natural Resource Boundary off the Gulf coast of Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, and the Three Nautical Mile Line elsewhere remain in most cases the inner limit of Federal fisheries jurisdiction and the outer limit of the jurisdiction of the states. The 24-nautical mile Contiguous Zone and the 200-nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone were established by Presidential Proclamation. Unless fixed by treaty or the U.S. Supreme Court, these maritime limits are subject to modification."
You've simply repeated Note X, which I still say contains no useful information. This line does not exist along the rest of the coast of Maine. Granted it's a boundry, but a boundry between what and what? Apparently some laws/regulations apply on one side of this boundry and the other. What are they? It does not make sense that this boundry define state versus federal waters as one would expect that to apply to the whole coast of Maine. There must be something special about the waters inland of this line, but there's no information on what that is. I'm trying to find out what the significance of this line is. Do I need to be aware of special local laws/regulations inside of this line? If so where do I find them.
Captain Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 07:35   #4
Registered User
 
Captain Bill's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Punta Gorda, Fl
Boat: Endeavourcat Sailcat 44
Posts: 3,176
I just noticed there is a similar line running across teh mouth of Saco and Casco bays.
Captain Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 09:31   #5
Registered User
 
CDunc's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacksonville Florida
Boat: 1972 Tartan 34C Fleur De Mer
Posts: 141
It has been my understanding it was for the Lobster fishermen to denote Maines Lobster grounds
CDunc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 12:10   #6
Registered User
 
AnsleyS's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Maine
Boat: Kadey Krogen 42
Posts: 264
Images: 2
Cap'n Bill,

I believe that you are looking at the territorial sea base line.

"Normally, the baseline from which the territorial sea is measured is the low-water line along the coast as marked on large-scale charts officially recognized by the coastal state. This is either the low-water mark closest to the shore, or alternatively it may be an unlimited distance from permanently exposed land, provided that some portion of elevations exposed at low tide but covered at high tide (like mud flats) is within 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 mi) of permanently exposed land. Straight baselines can alternatively be defined connecting fringing islands along a coast, across the mouths of rivers, or with certain restrictions across the mouths of bays."
AnsleyS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2011, 12:12   #7
Registered User
 
AnsleyS's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Maine
Boat: Kadey Krogen 42
Posts: 264
Images: 2
Cap'n Bill,

As a post script, this line does not affect us at all. Notice that it is only shown on large charts and not on the detail charts.

Don't worry about it.
AnsleyS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
maine, charts


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Looking for Maine Sailors breweraz General Sailing Forum 6 18-06-2009 07:54
Question for Maine Sail Joli Construction, Maintenance & Refit 1 01-04-2009 09:11
Question for exp sailors! MOTORMOUTH Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 19 19-02-2009 15:06
Paper Chart Question Charlie Navigation 17 30-07-2008 05:46
Chart Question Holding Pattern Navigation 3 06-01-2008 12:08

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:27.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.