Nitpik had posted nearly identically to both threads. I debated which thread was appropriate to post to since the posting
on one had become mixed and mine might mix this one. I chose to make a minimal, redirecting post here, but it didn't save space, and still mixed this thread, my two reasons for not copying and pasting.
Having been appropriately chastised (above posts) I now realise the only part of my Rocna post that I needed to post here is quoted below.
I do hope people who own Raya's, (Oceane's and Swords) post their experiences. I would very much like to know how they perform in various conditions, especially the Raya. The Raya's differences with the Oceane/Sword may be significant, just as slight differences in claw
type anchors make huge differences in performance (so I am lead to believe anyway). More independent test results would be very welcome. There is no perfect anchor yet. I made my choice for a new primary anchor knowing and accepting the limitations of my choice.
Sailors interested in the Raya may not share my concerns, but I wanted to make them known so they could be part of someone's thinking who was contemplating purchasing
a Raya. I was not trying to hijack this thread.
The Raya anchor I was speaking of is pictured at the top of the manufacturer's website Page d'accueil
That website's test and testimonial pages are under construction. When I visited the site earlier there were no independent tests, nor to my recollection any testimonials not of the manufacturer's own, ie. no independent testimonials well enough independent testing. The Raya was under MY ACTIVE CONSIDERATION until I reluctantly gave up on it
because of lack of independent information. I REALLY wanted the manufacturer's claims to be true. The anchor would be so much easier to handle on my boat, and so much better an anchor than the one I chose to buy! As soon as independent testing and sailor experience confirm the manufacturer's claims I will buy one.
"Look at pictures of the Spade Sword anchor and its predecessor the Oceane. New Generation Anchors - Explained, Compared and Rated -
(but ignore the prejudiced sales hype rating the various anchors) To my eyes the Raya appears very similar to these anchors, but only in the most general terms in any way similar to the Rocna and Manson Supreme.
I had a chance to buy an Oceane of about 22lbs for less than $100 and I passed it up because I did not want to have an anchor with such inconsistent independent test results as the Oceane has. I have not seen independent testing of the Sword or Raya, and I have done a thorough job of looking for it. Nor have I seen many reports by sailors with any experience using these anchors and none with extensive experience using this type."