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Old 01-11-2016, 14:43   #46
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No one asked why the first boat didn't pay out more chain, the simplest solution of all (they being on leeward)
Very good point. As I said earlier, he probably didn't have more scope than you and possibly less. If possible you both should have paid out more rode, and he probably would have benefited by being aft of you with more chain.

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TheThunderbird, I think that the very fact you are questioning yourself over this situation means you are a considerate and thoughtful person. I would be pleased to share an anchorage with you anytime.

40' apart at the closest point of swing is not unusual nor a problem. The only thing more you could do in such a circumstance is to dinghy over and discuss things with the other guy. Of course, with a squall coming that may not have been appropriate.
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No one asked why the first boat didn't pay out more chain, the simplest solution of all (they being on leeward)

Obviously that doesn't solve the problem. Letting out more rode creates a larger swinging circle. Leeward? Is the wind always going to blow in the same direction?
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Obviously that doesn't solve the problem. Letting out more rode creates a larger swinging circle. Leeward? Is the wind always going to blow in the same direction?
Not always true. If the other boat laid out more chain than the OP that boat would swing in a wider arc, outside of most of the arc of the OP. As for more dramatic changes in wind direction they are both going to have to scramble to get their anchors up and and re-anchor, and quite possibly change anchorages in order to avoid an exposed lee shore. (The OP had placed his anchor in shallows, presumably close to shore, where a 180 change would be dangerous.)

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It is difficult to evaluate without being there. People get unreasonably nervous anchoring around other boats. Were you both power or sail? Normally like types will swing together.
We have very close anchorages in the San Juans so run into this often. If he anchored first you should be ready to move if conditions warrant it. Let him know that is your intention and that you will be on watch all night and ready to do that.
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[QUOTE=kmacdonald;2248568]Originally Posted by TheThunderbird View Post
No one asked why the first boat didn't pay out more chain, the simplest solution of all (they being on leeward)

Obviously that doesn't solve the problem. Letting out more rode creates a larger swinging circle. Leeward? Is the wind always going to blow in the same direction?[/QUOTE]

Not if he's staying there for the year.. and not a spot you want to be when the blow is from the East.. but I understand he was taking shelter in the bay from a NW'ly coming over the island.. then he was moving on.[/
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The swinging circles of the two boats should NEVER overlap, period. With an approaching squall, no one knew what the wind directions might be, period. No rational person could possibly come to any other conclusion.
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The swinging circles of the two boats should NEVER overlap, period. With an approaching squall, no one knew what the wind directions might be, period. No rational person could possibly come to any other conclusion.
So what your saying is no boat should swing over another boats anchor...
Don't get around much do you..
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Your avatar speaks volumes.
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People get unreasonably nervous anchoring around other boats.
Very true, particularly for skippers inexperienced in the art of anchoring. OTOH I have made the mistake of trying to be courteous and say nothing while someone drops his hook almost on top of mine, thereby threatening my boat when his short scope causes him to drag down on me. I think it is important for experienced skippers to share their perspectives rather than stay silent and let a bad situation develop.

It is of course not possible for the rest of us to say which was the case here. This is really more of a discussion about the general case. And of course how any such message is conveyed really matters: shouting is usually interpreted as hostile, whether intentional or not.

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I gotta go with boatie on this one. That statement is completely at odds with the reality of anchoring. At least everywhere I have been.

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You might ease up a bit on your comments. Boatie has a lot of miles under his keel, so whether you agree with him or not a certain amount of respect is owed.

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Cheers mate.. appreciate that..
But.. let him have his say.. he's not the first and hopefully not the last.. else it'd get real boring on here..
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