Originally Posted by craigsmith
Now why are you so sure about the copy being better than a Delta
By copy I'm guessing you mean the Supreme. I'll assume you do.
In the West Marine and SAIL testing, the "Max Before Releasing" figures looked like this:
Supreme 36lb: 2,400lbs
Delta 36lb: 3,250lbs
Rocna 32lb: 4,800lbs
Because the Supreme was completely inconsistent and miserably failed one of the three locations:
Lets see what your chart actually says shall we. We'll also assume it is the actual numbers published by Sail, not the Rocna modified one that pops up all the time.
One set of 3 test pulls.
In 2 pulls both came out the same.
In 1 pull the Supreme didn't do as well as the Rocna.
So, you telling us 1 pull in a total of 3 makes something 'completely inconsistant'? Interesting if not just silly.
Also at 1800lbs, a load many other anchors would never get to and a load many boats would never get too, you consider 'failed miserably'. Again an interesting use of words.
Anyway it's only a matter of time before another set of test results come out showing completely differing results. We look forward to your publishing those results in the interest of fairness and boaters safety
I think your parallel would work better if there was a car company with standards and ethics low enough to make a cheap rip-off Ferrari to add to their range of cheap knock-off Sierras [Bruce] and Model Ts [CQR] ...
Lets look at that statement a bit shall we. You are saying the Supreme is a direct knock-off of Rocna.
Must be the rollbar, Nope. Sarce, Bugel and others had that before the Rocna.
Must be the concaved flukes, Nope. Spade, Bruce and others had that before the Rocna.
Must be cause it's made of steel
Shall we continue?
It all depends how you view things don't you think? An Anchor
is what it is and the nature of the beast says they will all share similar traits, that's just the way it is and always has been. Notice how 1000's of years ago people used big stones to hold their boats. Walk down to your local harbour and check out what is on the end of all those moorings, big lumps of concrete that are the same thing as a big stone. Technology hasn't moved that far in all these years, fine tuned but still basically the same as has been used for a very long time.
This Manson obsession is getting spooky Craig. I'm thinking Glen Close and a real big F' off carving knife about now.
Why do I specifically think Delta is not as good as Supreme?
- The Supreme sets more reliably and generally faster.
- Build quality even if the Supremes finish can be a bit rough at times. I still think a not-looked-after Delta will out last a not-looked-after Supreme though.
- The Delta is over priced by comparison. This will change shortly though.
- All my punters who have swaped out there Delta for Supremes say so. Whether they actually know is ir-relavent really. The Supreme lets them sleep better and that is a damn big and important part of anchoring
- And other stuff as you know.
In 3 of the above 4 comments you can swap Rocna for Supreme and the result is the same. Comment 2 Rocna does clean up on, they are very very nicely made. None of these 3 get our 'best finish' award
Again - The Rocna and Supreme and Spade and a couple of others are bloody good. I'm my opinion they are better than a Delta. Do I think Delta is a bad anchor? No because it's not, as 1000's of users will agree.
PS to the viewers. Craig and I are at it like this often, gotta keep him on the straight and narrow you know
I'm not trashing Rocna as it is a bloody good bit of gear
. I just don't like mis-information being said. I'm the one who has to correct the punter when they think they are getting 'the be all to end all' when it's not quite like that really. I'm also Obstinate, aren't I Craig