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Old 20-07-2013, 09:16   #16
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Design consideration: do I get to pick my anchoring days? Can I avoid most bad weather through good judgment?

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Multiple, diverse kits of:
- The heaviest tackle you can retrieve by hand
- The largest size you can afford & store
- All chain, with a long elastic nylon snubber secured by a trucker hitch
- Ability to lasso tree or boulder as a secondary
- An offset line from rode to midship cleat to keep her nose straight to the waves when the wind wants her to roll
- Sea anchor

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You can go lighter, perhaps compensate with insurance and towing coverage
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Old 20-07-2013, 09:24   #17
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Re: Anchor weight

Primary anchor: Rocna 25 (kilos)
kedge anchor: Guardian G-27
storm anchor: Fortress F-55

Boat: 46' LOA 15 tons displacement.

Primary Rode: 5/16" G4 (High Test)
Secondary Rode: 50' chain backed up with 5/8" brait.
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Old 20-07-2013, 09:52   #18
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I have a 28 foot, 13.400 lb boat. I used a 33lb Rocna while riding out hurricane Irene and it held just fine. It was my first experience with winds of that strength and the experience made me appreciate a little more the forces involved. I upped my anchor to a 45lb Manson Supreme and while that big honker might look a little silly on my bowsprit...I feel safe.
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Old 20-07-2013, 09:53   #19
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But do give up on the using two anchors all the time idea, it's a hassle to handle them, and unnecessary in most conditions.

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Never intended to use two all the time.
I was talking about having two to use conditionally, based on the floor at the anchorage.
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Old 20-07-2013, 10:16   #20
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Re: Anchor weight

30 foot: 35 lb
44 foot: 60 lb
47 foot: 60 lb
42 foot cat: 45 lb
Deltas and CQR's. Bruces go 2 sizes above book size. Danforth and Fortress book size is good.
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Old 20-07-2013, 11:25   #21
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what we have doesn't matter. As suggested, where you sail and what conditions you expect will be necssary for you to design your anchor SYSTEM.

Try this:

Anchor System Sizing Tables (Reply #6) Ground Tackle & Anchor System Sizing TABLES & SwivelsGround Tackle & Anchor System Sizing TABLES & Swivels

I didn't check out Stu's posted link, but would reiterate that SYSTEM design is important.

We happen to be on the Chesapeake, too, so I can tell you the normal holding ground is usually mud of some sort. Occasional sand, but usually mud, hard mud, soft mud, slime mud... did I mention mud?

For that reason we have chosen to shorten the amount of chain in the ground tackle SYSTEM, simply to reduce cleaning time when we bring the anchor back aboard. Less mud in chain links, less mud on deck... (In other holding ground, we'd add chain.)

As also mentioned, we tend to upsize at least one size from manufacturer's recommendations. Also, size (fluke and stock dimensions) is a factor, not just weight (another reason why the flukes are larger on a Fortress anchor of the same weight as a steel Danforth). This approach only works within reason and -- in heavier weights -- also depends on whether one has an electric windlass or not...

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I am in the Chesapeake, and you've more or less described what I believe I have (though I think my anchor is a little heavier).

I think I'll plan on getting a second anchor style for differing conditions and going further afield.
I know that a 44lb Bruce/claw type is very affordable, and I believe I'd go with an all chain rode on that rig.

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Going with a 44# anchor on your less than 10,000# displacement boat is way way overkill even if the anchor has a poor holding record. Used a 45# CQR on our 20,000# boat for 1 1/2 years of 24/7/365 anchoring and never dragged. Even with a manual windlass, it was no fun retrieving that anchor. Hope that you have a windlass if you go that weight of anchor. Wouldn't count on a young healthy back to aid retrieval as the healthy part might go quickly muscling that much weight.
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I should probably mention that I have no windlass at all, and if I went to a heavier anchor with a chain rode I would be looking at adding a windlass.
In that case is still be staying away from electric if I can.
I want as few systems that require power as possible.
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Going with a 44# anchor on your less than 10,000# displacement boat is way way overkill even if the anchor has a poor holding record. Used a 45# CQR on our 20,000# boat for 1 1/2 years of 24/7/365 anchoring and never dragged.
I've also priced a 33lb Bruce/claw.
It is 20% less expensive than the 44lb.
That is good news.

I've been reading that heavier is better, but I guess that's only true to a point.
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Re: Anchor Weight

25' LWL, 3000 displ: primary 33 pounder with 75' of 8mm chain plus 150' of 1/2' octo poly.

We used 22 pounder in our extensive adventures and it was adequate.

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Old 20-07-2013, 16:29   #26
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Re: Anchor Weight

41 formosa with 194 ft 5/16 with 33 kg original bruce. awesome set. no fails.

secondary is 35 pound cqr with 250 ft 5/16....decent set, holds ok except when chain falls off underwater ledge, then we go flying..lol
i also have 2 or 3 other anchors and some spooled 3 strand so i can kedge off a shoal if i become stuffed ground
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I should probably mention that I have no windlass at all, and if I went to a heavier anchor with a chain rode I would be looking at adding a windlass.
In that case is still be staying away from electric if I can.
I want as few systems that require power as possible.
If I were anchoring in the Chesapeake without a windlass, I'd probably go with a Fortress.
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Re: Anchor Weight

The Brig Pilgrim. About 140' sparred. We carry two fisherman anchors, 645# each.
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Old 20-07-2013, 18:19   #29
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i think ryon won the anchor thread wars....outweighs all of us together.

cooler boat, too.

dont point worth a sh tho......
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Re: Anchor Weight

Pacific Seacraft 34 ~14,000 lbs. I use a 35 CQR (the horror!) and a 33lb Bruce, and have a giant fortress stowed away too. Also a smaller Danforth on the stern. Manual windlass is a bit of a joke, a Simpson lawrence 555 or something like that, but a 35 lb anchor and chain is fine as long as it isn't blowing too much. Singlehanded in a crowded anchorage, with the wind up makes it a chore.

My old Cape Dory ~10,000 lbs, had a 25 lb CQR.

I don't really belong to the upsize crowd, but would if I had a good windlass. I don't think I would go as heavy as some listed here, just too much anchor to have to stow away, and have the fortress for heavy blows in my current cruising grounds.
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