Anchor new Gen is Roll Bar-Critical?

[Pelagic]

On the backing down thread, everyone seems to agree that the New Gen Anchors are a vast improvement over the CQR.

The most popular have Roll Bars

I have no experience comparing those New Gens, with and without Roll Bars

Does anyone have any experience on comparing the two types in performance?


I do not think StarGazer's under mount design would handle the new gens With Roll Bars

[skipmac]

I have a Rocna 45 and a Mantus 65 with roll bars. So far both have been great.

Regarding the necessity or not. The anchor makers have certainly done a lot of research and testing and my opinion, would not add a roll bar if it wasn't useful. After all, the bar adds cost and kills some sales for customers that have anchor rollers that the roll bar won't fit. So why add it if it doesn't do something?

[Training Wheels]

My Spade has worked flawlessly for me.

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Training Wheels

My Spade has worked flawlessly for me.

One difference being the Spade was designed without the roll bar. Those that were designed with them I think might not work as well without.

[Pelagic]

Good point Skipmac
I am trying to quantity just how big the difference and are the ones without bars a significant improvement over the CQR?

[Cheechako]

The roll bar is there to aid in the anchor resetting right? Let's face it, resetting is the big issue with anchors. Often they just want to lay on their side and drag after rolling over. CQR's especially.

[Dockhead]

Spade - subject of the discussion in the other thread! Does not have a roll bar at all.

Roll bar is needed to orient the anchor. Not needed on the Spade, which has lead ballast.

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[StuM]

Roll bars are only critical on new gen anchors on sailboats. On powerboats, you don't need them.

Just ask Manson or Rocna:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...or-179161.html

[chris95040]

It seems to me a weighted tip like the spade is a much simpler, straightforward way to get the tip headed in the right direction.

[Cotemar]

Rocna seems to market there anchors like this:

No Roll-bar for Powerboats.

Roll-Bar for sailboats

[Uncle Bob]

Hey, as Steve has shown in his excellent series of video's of anchors setting, there are a number of new gen anchors that don't have roll bars and perform very well, some would say excel ently
Cheers

[thinwater]

Originally Posted by StuM

Roll bars are only critical on new gen anchors on sailboats. On powerboats, you don't need them.

Just ask Manson or Rocna:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...or-179161.html

I hope everyone gets the joke!

An anchor can be righted in 3 general ways:
* Roll bar.
* Weight and hump-shaped shank, like Spade and Ultra. Also Delta and CQR.
* Other shape factors. Bruce, Claw, Manson Boss, etc.

What makes them NG is a pronounced scoop. Like pivoting fluke anchors (Fortress), it is simply efficient.

If you use toe weight, you give up some area and thus some capability in soft mud, but clogging is reduced and burying is improved. If you use a roll bar there are fitting issues and burying may be reduced.

If I couldn't fit a roll bar, either Spade, Ultra (very well regarded), or one of the knock-offs (research).

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

Good point Skipmac
I am trying to quantity just how big the difference and are the ones without bars a significant improvement over the CQR?

I cruised for a few years with a CQR. So far several months on the water with New Gen anchors. My opinion, New Gen dramatically better than the CQR whether with or without a roll bar.

If I had the money I would consider the Ultra. No roll bar, a buoyant shank helps keep it upright. But over $2000 for a 60lb version is a bit rich.

[a64pilot]

I think the roll bar was the simplest, easiest way to achieve righting moment for a scoop type concave anchor, for both initial setting and re-setting.
However for an anchor that has been designed from the outset without one, I'm sure they are not necessary.
I would be less inclined to believe that an anchor design that had a roll bar and had been removed whether by an owner or through redesign by the manufacturer would work as well as one designed from the onset not to have a roll bar.
Just an opinion of course, but I think a Spade or Ultra is every bit as good, maybe better than the roll bar anchors, buy one that fits on your boat, for me it was a Rocna as I use the roll bar to tie to the rails on the rail on the bow sprit so it's not coming loose, again
However, they honestly will amaze you, I have yet to not have either of My Rocna's set, without any drag at all, and they do so with such suddenness that you do not want much movement of the boat when you drop one, cause you will come to a sudden stop.
You have heard it over and over, but you won't believe it until you experience it on your own boat.

[four winds]

Originally Posted by Pelagic

Good point Skipmac
I am trying to quantity just how big the difference and are the ones without bars a significant improvement over the CQR?

That would be the question to ask.

Now on to reading the rest of the posts.

BTW, your cqr must be a big one. It has a different hinge design to the smaller ones.