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Old 24-10-2010, 19:44   #61
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The whole business of importing products from China is interesting. There are some cultural differences but one of the main issues is the demand for "cheap" by US (and elsewhere) importers. Must be "cheap" to keep the customers (you and me who are whinging about cost of chain, rigging, sails and everything else) happy. OK - we got cheap didn't we! Why would Chinese manufacturers worry about quality when their customers are not prepared to pay for it? There is quite a good analysis on these issues in recent book "Poorly Made in China" by Paul Midler.
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Stay away from 'Made in China'

I am with you Zee,

Chinese toilet paper? Ok. Chinese smiley face paper weight.... ok.

No way, shape, or form of Chinese chain, shackles, or anchor on my boat... ever.

Not going to trust my life to Chinese metallurgy.... Even if they can make 'em look good while the boss is looking... but have 3 plants across the river churning out some just like it that are not worth the pot metal they add to the mix....

See, with China.. you will NEVER know if what you have was made in the authorized factory (like that would even mean much) or a knock off.

Stay away from 'Made in China' for any gear you are going to trust your boat and your life to.




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a whil ein back, port of san diego used chinese chain. one easter siunday night at 0200, the winds were above 65mph (that is where his anemometer broke) when a force 50 broke away from its mooring because of a snapped chain link. that link had faulty weld as well as bad galvanization--uneven and missing spots. when that force 50 broke looose, it took out 5 other boats.
now-- do you want to use china chain?? i dont.
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Old 24-10-2010, 20:11   #63
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I am with you Zee,


Stay away from 'Made in China' for any gear you are going to trust your boat and your life to.
But how do you know?

Even zeehag, the poster you are agreeing with said
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nothing made in usa is made in usa anymore--is farmed out to china!!!!!
How do you know that that anchor, you thought was made in NZ, was not made in china?

How do you know, that that chain you thought was made in america was not made in china?

How do you know, that boat you thought was so good, was not made with resins and glass manufactured in china (I bet they were, yet you feel safe right?)

The brakes in your car, the seatbelts, the airbags, the list can be a mile long.
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The whole business of importing products from China is interesting. There are some cultural differences but one of the main issues is the demand for "cheap" by US (and elsewhere) importers. Must be "cheap" to keep the customers (you and me who are whinging about cost of chain, rigging, sails and everything else) happy. OK - we got cheap didn't we! Why would Chinese manufacturers worry about quality when their customers are not prepared to pay for it? There is quite a good analysis on these issues in recent book "Poorly Made in China" by Paul Midler.
Exactly!!

I bet you the thousands of Chinese millionaires don't buy the cheap sh1t when they buy "local".
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BTW, I have a piece of China chain in my hand right now. I know it was made in China because it says so on the drum that it came out of. The chain has no markings on it...only the container. Sitting next to the drum of China chain is a drum of Australian BBB chain. I know it is because it is marked on the drum...no markings on the chain.

I remember in the 50's-60's my dad talking about the low quality of products made in Japan...know what I mean?

I have some ISO Standard 10mm chain on our primary. I know it is from Spain because I bought it...no "Spain" or "ISO Standard" on the chain.

I also have some ISO Standard 10mm chain that is ACCO chain made in the US. I know it is because when I bought it at Budget Marine, the drum had ACCO, made in the USA on the drum...no "USA" or "ISO Standard" on the chain.

Countries that leverage their low-cost labor always get blamed for low quality by the high-cost labor countries. The rap is not always true.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, from my experience, there is no way to tell where the chain is made by looking at the chain...so listen up newbies: DO NOT GO LOOKING FOR WHERE THE CHAIN WAS MADE BEFORE ANCHORING NEAR ANOTHER BOAT.

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Hi there,

I am in Shanghai now, not sailing.
I am from Penang, Malaysia, is a Malaysian Chinese, if you are interested in knowing.
I am with a Japanese firm, but I see a lot of my contractor in China are making boat parts like windlass , shackles for the us company???!!!!##

So I believe that the fault is not totally on the Chinese side. Anyway on my side our quality is up the international par......just that we are not making any part for boat...
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Boat up in the yard now, insurance co. may have to sort this out with my chandler.
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When did this happen?

How bads the boat trashed? Is there another thread on it?


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BTW, I have a piece of China chain in my hand right now. I know it was made in China because it says so on the drum that it came out of. The chain has no markings on it...only the container. Sitting next to the drum of China chain is a drum of Australian BBB chain. I know it is because it is marked on the drum...no markings on the chain.
So the only way you can pick the difference is the drum it came in?
Sounds like some unscrupulous suppliers could put more affordable chain in an expensive brand drum and some would still pay the premium price.

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I remember in the 50's-60's my dad talking about the low quality of products made in Japan...know what I mean?
Sure do
More recently it was those crappy Hyundai's from Korea
Now look at them
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As an encore to its 2009 North American Car of the Year honour, the all-new Hyundai Genesis took home the Cars.com ‘New Car of the Year award’, Hyundai Genesis named 2009 Cars.com New Car of the Year
The US love them it seems http://www.hyundai.com.au/Awards/default.aspx

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I have some ISO Standard 10mm chain on our primary. I know it is from Spain because I bought it...no "Spain" or "ISO Standard" on the chain.
I also have some ISO Standard 10mm chain that is ACCO chain made in the US. I know it is because when I bought it at Budget Marine, the drum had ACCO, made in the USA on the drum...no "USA" or "ISO Standard" on the chain.
Dang, and I thought some posters here said that the chain had markings on it
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says CHINA on it and nothing else-- YOU tell ME.....only markings on it ---CHINA
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Countries that leverage their low-cost labor always get blamed for low quality by the high-cost labor countries. The rap is not always true.
Correct
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AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, from my experience, there is no way to tell where the chain is made by looking at the chain.
And you only need to look at the reports here that show that chain from other countries can be lesser quality
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ACCO chain rusting after only 6 months use.
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the chain had failed at a weld between the roller and the windlass. This was Australian made chain that had been pull tested.
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Our ACCO chain also rusted in 6 months. It is 18 months old now and leaves rust everywhere.
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Prior to the acquisition of most of Acco’s chain division by Peerless Chain in 2006, Acco’s chain was manufactured in York, Penn. After the acquisition, Peerless (Acco Marine Chain | Industrial Chain & Accessories | Overhead Lifting Chain, Custom Lifting Devices | Tire Chains | Peerless Chain Company, Winona MN) moved Acco’s production equipment to Winona, Minn., where the manufacturing is done today.

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“... Peerless also added a new unique zinc hot dip galvanizing operation, made to mimic a plating process used by ACCO. This new machinery now caters to the marine industry and the company's new clients, and was spearheaded by John McCauley, Vice President of Strategic Planning and Development. The machinery heats molten zinc to over 800 degrees, coating the heavy chain with a metal layer meant to stand the wear of salt water for fishing nets and other marine equipment ...”

Here ➥ Peerless Chain leads the nation
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Re: Anchor Chain - China vs ACCO

must say I was wondering about that one ..
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Re: Anchor Chain - China vs ACCO

So unless I hear from someone in the next week.. I'm going Chinese.
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Re: Anchor Chain - China vs ACCO

My chain is Chinese. I bought it from Bradney Chain, the most respectable specialist merchant of chain in the UK. They galvanize it themselves in the UK. They swear it's the best chain you can buy. It comes with a proof test certificate. It's not very cheap. I've had it for a year and so far so good. I don't think the country of origin is so extremely indicative of quality.
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Hi there

thaks for your reply . I actually saw your post and was going to ask you where you got it from....then I forgot to . many thanks . i can imagine there is alot of bullshit about this sort of thing . Many ''respectables '' probably have their kit made out there anyway...

Had alook and thought I'd put this link on as the pdf is really good especially for havenacluses like me

http://www.bradneychain.com/_pdf/Moo...ng-Leaflet.pdf
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Re: Anchor Chain - China vs ACCO

as long as chain is inspected regularly, shouldnt matter what kind or from where it comes. just be aware that the chain breaking incidents in sd bay -- esp around 1999 easter sunday at 0200 were from bad welds in chinese chain. i saw th link and i know what to look for--isnt all in the galvanizing--is also the welding. goooodluck..i think most chain anymore is either italian or chinese or from some other place than usa.... goood luck, and fair winds
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Hi Zeehag

thanks for that ...I can now relax about it , and so can my wallet ...I do alot of welding so I know to keep an eye on the welds


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