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Old 25-12-2016, 14:18   #46
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Re: Hookah ,diy

We are talking about people cleaning their hulls with a hookah!!!! Not freediving shallow water blackouts etc.
You guys make me laugh, don't get in the water, its just to dangerous. Google this topic, every thread ends up here, im not sure if its just people needing to feel important or what.
Please show me some evidence that people like me are dieing using diy hookahs!!
This thread is (was) about discussing what people are using equipment wise regarding hookahs in the hope of expanding my options when it comes to purchasing.
Ive dived in remote locations with all sorts of creatures and currents, cleaning my hull is not dangerous.

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Old 25-12-2016, 14:43   #47
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Breathing compressed air underwater is dangerous, especially when the one doing it doesn't understand what he's doing. But a fool and his life are soon parted.
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Old 25-12-2016, 14:58   #48
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Breathing compressed air underwater is dangerous, especially when the one doing it doesn't understand what he's doing. But a fool and his life are soon parted.
So you cant point out to me the high number of hookah related deaths?

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Old 25-12-2016, 16:59   #49
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Hookahs, they're legal now in Washington, Colorado and I think Oregon!
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So you cant point out to me the high number of hookah related deaths?
Do people die while using hookahs? Absolutely. But in your rush to ignorance, you of course, miss my point. The point is that breathing compressed air underwater involves very real and potentially deadly risks and should not be undertaken by anybody not understanding the risks. That you take such a flip and casual attitude about this subject would indicate that you fall into this category.

But hey, it's your life. Knock yourself out, chief.
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Old 25-12-2016, 18:01   #51
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Be careful....Fstbttms is an "industry professional"....just ask him!
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Old 25-12-2016, 18:38   #52
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Do people die while using hookahs? Absolutely. But in your rush to ignorance, you of course, miss my point. The point is that breathing compressed air underwater involves very real and potentially deadly risks and should not be undertaken by anybody not understanding the risks. That you take such a flip and casual attitude about this subject would indicate that you fall into this category.

But hey, it's your life. Knock yourself out, chief.
So once again you are unable to come up with anything to substantiate your " im an expert, and becareful or you will die using a hookah" stance! Seriously this is not rocket science. A few basic rules.

You have managed to live this long, therefore how dangerous can it be ?or are you just brighter than the rest of us? And no I didnt miss your point, the need to be an expert!

Yes, of course there is an inherent danger when going underwater 2m breathing compressed air BUT that danger is minimal if combined with minimal education.

There's a inherent danger in most things we do.

Anyway I'll take my flip and casual attitude home and you can keep your" im the leading authority on the use of hookahs" attitude and try to club someone else with it.
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So once again you are unable to come up with anything to substantiate your " im an expert, and becareful or you will die using a hookah" stance!
I never said or inferred that. But I'm somehow not surprised that you resorted to distortions in an attempt to discredit somebody who obviously knows more than you about this subject.
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ahhhh...another fun thread.
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I don't listen to what fstbttms says because he is an "industry expert." I listen to him because he knows what he's talking about. If you know anything about diving, and read just a few of his posts, that becomes completely obvious very quickly.

But it is not a matter of either hookah diving is horribly dangerous with risks that cannot be managed, or hookah diving is completely safe with no risks whatsoever. Like most things in life, it is in between the extremes. There are risks. There are always risks when breathing compressed air underwater. These are risks that can be managed quite easily, if you get a little bit of basic education.

The greatest risk, as anyone who has ever taken a diving class knows, is holding your breath as you ascend. Even from as shallow as under the hull of the average boat, one can die -- yes, really, DIE! -- from ascending while holding ones breath. Clearly, this is something that anyone using a hookah system, at any depth, should be aware of.

Is it really that difficult? Is there really anything to argue about here?
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I for one, once I got over the condescending tone, have learned a lot !
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Is it really that difficult? Is there really anything to argue about here?
Its just really a common thing- its in so many things nowadays. You've gotta take this class, you've gotta pass this test, you've gotta have this license........... All to make the insiders, the teachers, the testers, the government officials feel important with some sort of special knowledge.

The truth is that this knowledge like so much else is widely available on the internet and anyone can learn it and do it. You have to want to learn, you have to want to find out the knowledge and you have to want to do the research.

You can. Anyone can.

Just do it.

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I don't listen to what fstbttms says because he is an "industry expert." I listen to him because he knows what he's talking about. If you know anything about diving, and read just a few of his posts, that becomes completely obvious very quickly.

But it is not a matter of either hookah diving is horribly dangerous with risks that cannot be managed, or hookah diving is completely safe with no risks whatsoever. Like most things in life, it is in between the extremes. There are risks. There are always risks when breathing compressed air underwater. These are risks that can be managed quite easily, if you get a little bit of basic education.

The greatest risk, as anyone who has ever taken a diving class knows, is holding your breath as you ascend. Even from as shallow as under the hull of the average boat, one can die -- yes, really, DIE! -- from ascending while holding ones breath. Clearly, this is something that anyone using a hookah system, at any depth, should be aware of.

Is it really that difficult? Is there really anything to argue about here?
I agree, basically dont hold your breath. I think most of us that have been discussing hookahs understand this, its fairly simple.
My annoyance comes from these conversations always getting hijacked in this direction as if theres more to it than this.

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My annoyance comes from these conversations always getting hijacked in this direction as if theres more to it than this.
Maybe if you didn't make uniformed statements about risky diving habits, you could reduce your occurrances of annoyance.
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Maybe if you didn't make uniformed statements about risky diving habits, you could reduce your occurrances of annoyance.
Fstbttms, actually that's not what I do or have done. We've both had our say, you know my views regarding your comments as I know yours regarding mine, how about we just drop it now, as its just become silly. Have a nice day.

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