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08-09-2012, 22:45
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Better Than Button (Dodger)
Does anyone use an alternative method for securing a dodger other than buttons? Maybe Hanks and pad eyes? Twine and pad eyes? I raise and lower my dodger often and in cold weather the buttons just don't work well. Hell, even in warm weather they are a pain. Thanks, also if you have picture that would be nice too or links on the web.
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08-09-2012, 23:17
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
Wha do you mean by dots?? The twist lock fasteners work fairly well and don't require the finger strength required with push/dot fasteners. Have seen one dodger that used hooks and a line threaded through grommets in the canvas. Looked like it would scallop in serious weather.
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09-09-2012, 07:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roverhi
Wha do you mean by dots?? The twist lock fasteners work fairly well and don't require the finger strength required with push/dot fasteners. Have seen one dodger that used hooks and a line threaded through grommets in the canvas. Looked like it would scallop in serious weather.
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I didn't mention dots. Did I? The twist lock fasteners look like a good idea. Thank you. Anyone else?
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09-09-2012, 07:58
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
What y'all are calling twist lock is known as "common sense" fasteners, and the other options, as far as I know, are "Lift-The-Dot" and snaps. Snap have to be stiff in order to hold down the canvas
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09-09-2012, 08:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tamif27
What y'all are calling twist lock is known as "common sense" fasteners, and the other options, as far as I know, are "Lift-The-Dot" and snaps. Snap have to be stiff in order to hold down the canvas
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Great clarification. I have snaps. And the other two seem preferable. I may try "lift the dot" since the "common sense" require two holes in the boat. Thank you.
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09-09-2012, 08:52
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Originally Posted by triton274
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Thanks for the link. The snaps are hard because the target size is smaller and covered when making the fasten attempt. The other two just seem easier. I'd rather not have to use lubricant for something like this. The snaps don't seem to stay put as well either. What I really want is a more flexible means, since the dodger doesn't stretch well at all.
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09-09-2012, 08:57
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
I had the twist fasteners on one of my boats - loved them. I find the regular snaps and the Lift the Dot are harder to deal with. Also, I have Lift the Dot on my present boat. If the dodger is off for any reason (storms or storage) and you're on deck in bare feet, it's NOT pleasant to step on these little metal spears. Just my experience with both of those.
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09-09-2012, 09:55
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Originally Posted by sloopygirl
I had the twist fasteners on one of my boats - loved them. I find the regular snaps and the Lift the Dot are harder to deal with. Also, I have Lift the Dot on my present boat. If the dodger is off for any reason (storms or storage) and you're on deck in bare feet, it's NOT pleasant to step on these little metal spears. Just my experience with both of those.
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Thank you. Yeah, I thought about the LTD as being a hazard. I just put up my dodger and maybe it's not the snaps so much as it is the placement of some of them, that mixed with lack of stretch in the material. I prefer the dodger to be down on those beautiful sunny days and up when it's not. So when I put it down some of the snaps pop off, where I think the twist ones would stay.
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09-09-2012, 19:03
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
It's not clear to me what fasteners y'all are talking about.
Everybody seems to agree on what a common sense fastener is, but to me a "snap" is either a lift the dot fastener or a pull the dot fastener. The advantage of a pull the dot is that it can only be removed by pulling from one specific angle. This can be very useful in applications where the canvas tends to pop the lift the dot fastener off due to a lifting strain by the dodger/bimini/whatever.
Any thing resembling a "spear" sticking up I would call a stud, which is used with an eyelet. As mentioned, it would be a bad usage for those to be installed on a surface where somebody might be walking (or sitting).
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09-09-2012, 19:08
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
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Originally Posted by sloopygirl
...I have Lift the Dot on my present boat. If the dodger is off for any reason (storms or storage) and you're on deck in bare feet, it's NOT pleasant to step on these little metal spears.
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Yes, big ouch! The lift-a-dots work well but be careful about placement. The pin side of these fittings can also foul lines and such -- I've removed a few from my boat that way.
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09-09-2012, 19:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FSMike
It's not clear to me what fasteners y'all are talking about.
Everybody seems to agree on what a common sense fastener is, but to me a "snap" is either a lift the dot fastener or a pull the dot fastener. The advantage of a pull the dot is that it can only be removed by pulling from one specific angle. This can be very useful in applications where the canvas tends to pop the lift the dot fastener off due to a lifting strain by the dodger/bimini/whatever.
Any thing resembling a "spear" sticking up I would call a stud, which is used with an eyelet. As mentioned, it would be a bad usage for those to be installed on a surface where somebody might be walking (or sitting).
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http://shop.trailersailor.com/custom.../twistlock.jpg
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09-09-2012, 19:49
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
theway -
Your link shows a common sense aka twistlock fastener, which everybody seems to agree on, so I don't understand why you posted it?
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09-09-2012, 20:14
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
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Originally Posted by FSMike
theway -
Your link shows a common sense aka twistlock fastener, which everybody seems to agree on, so I don't understand why you posted it?
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I was going by your first line... Maybe I was confused... It happens a lot.
"It's not clear to me what fasteners y'all are talking about."
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09-09-2012, 20:24
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Re: Better Than Button (Dodger)
Theres a real good fastener made for race cars, made from Stainless, looks like the twist locks you showed in your link. they can be pressed or some can be sewed on try Jegs, on line ! I find them to be better and cheaper! ya will have to get a press to install them if ya want the better ones !
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