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05-12-2017, 15:43
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Newbies: Arkansas River>Caribbean>Maine?
Boat: 1983 Catalina 30 5411 STD Rig
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Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
I'd like to hear from those that have pushed the 10-15 year rule. I'd guess some are using 45 year old standing rigging. Anyone care to confess?
There are countless threads and posts explaining that an inspection doesn't show internal/work hardening issues and that scheduled replacement is the only way to avoid loosing your mast. That isn't the question here.
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05-12-2017, 18:27
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Caribbean
Boat: 38/41 Fountains pajot
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
We replaced 21 year old rigging on an ami 320 catamaran and the rigger said it looked perfect, even said he would have let it be... had a 1979 Bombay clipped with original rigging and it outlasted the compression post.
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05-12-2017, 18:47
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Working in St Augustine
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
Ask you insurance company
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05-12-2017, 19:01
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
Poor economy.....
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05-12-2017, 20:43
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
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Originally Posted by fox9988
I'd like to hear from those that have pushed the 10-15 year rule. I'd guess some are using 45 year old standing rigging. Anyone care to confess?
There are countless threads and posts explaining that an inspection doesn't show internal/work hardening issues and that scheduled replacement is the only way to avoid loosing your mast. That isn't the question here.
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Let me rephrase your question:
"Are there any stupid/ignorant people out there???"
Answer: Yes!
Consider the intelligence of the average person... Now remember half of everybody is dumber than that.
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05-12-2017, 21:50
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Writing Full-Time Since 2014
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Deale, MD
Boat: PDQ Altair, 32/34
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
Politeness, everyone.
* Ask your insurance company what exactly?
* Define the economy. I'm guessing the actual economy is several hundred times in favor of inspecting and stretching far beyond 15 years.
* Are there ignorant people out there? Yes, thank you for explaining that.
It is never wrong to ask questions related to "why" or "please provide support." I'm guessing he wonders if the odds of dropping a mast are 10,000:1 (and I bet they are for most sailors), a purely financial argument may be weak. I've changed rigging, but I'm pretty sure he is right. We do it for safety and confidence more than dollars and cents. I can admit that.
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05-12-2017, 21:58
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Cruising the world
Boat: Hylas 54
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
I changed the standing rigging on my 1983 boat in 2015, so 32 years of service. I don't think it had ever been changed previously (I was the third owner). It was Navtec rod rigging and inspection of the old rigging found no visible problems. I was still glad to have it gone.
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05-12-2017, 23:23
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,485
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
For me its about confidence in the rig in foul weather...esp on a more heaivly loaded cat. Im in the process of replacing all the 17 y.o. standing rigging on current boat. All the old rigging inspected pretty good, some normal wear (like forestay inside roller furling), some apparently superficial corrosion, one bolt with serious crevice corrosion, one broken wire strand on a diamond stay. But, I will sleep better off watch.
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05-12-2017, 23:53
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Somewhere on the Ocean
Boat: Lagoon 440
Posts: 1,443
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
A friends Backstay went along with his mast! Not a cheap experience, although covered by his insurance - The rigging was around 9 years old.
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06-12-2017, 00:08
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Key West
Boat: 1973 Morgan OI 41'
Posts: 119
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
I just had lazy jacks installed on my 1973 morgan. The rigger came down the mast with a horrified look and told me he had sunk a half inch of his finger into the original wooden spreaders on the boat. He was shocked when we told him we had sailed thru 30 kt winds for 2 days. I'd suggest an inspection at minimum before heading to the gulf stream or similar.
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06-12-2017, 03:28
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,485
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
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Originally Posted by belizesailor
For me its about confidence in the rig in foul weather...esp on a more heaivly loaded cat. Im in the process of replacing all the 17 y.o. standing rigging on current boat. All the old rigging inspected pretty good, some normal wear (like forestay inside roller furling), some apparently superficial corrosion, one bolt with serious crevice corrosion, one broken wire strand on a diamond stay. But, I will sleep better off watch.
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Oh, and to actually answer the question, No, Ive never had an old (or new) rigging failure. Came really close on a Hobie 16 once, when unstepping the mast ashore after a day of sailing, noticed one stay was only connected by a single strand!
Previous boat had old rigging which I never replaced. Boat was built about 84, I acquired it in the early 90s. Sold it in 2001. So, about 17 y.o. rigging too.
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06-12-2017, 03:42
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
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Originally Posted by belizesailor
Oh, and to actually answer the question, No, Ive never had an old (or new) rigging failure. Came really close on a Hobie 16 once, when unstepping the mast ashore after a day of sailing, noticed one stay was only connected by a single strand!
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We (my 15 year old son actually) had a Hobie 16 mast fall while sailing due to shroud failure, but a couple strands had been broken for a while.
Luckily, I was nearby on our other Hobie 16 so not a big deal.
The new shrouds were pretty cheap and also looked really nice on that old H16!
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06-12-2017, 04:39
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
Boat: none
Posts: 20,415
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
My 2001 boat has it's original rigging. I think this whole 10-15 year year is just something inverted by the rigging guys just like you needing to change you oil in your car every 3000 miles. It probably has a basis somewhere, but it is based on the most extreme thing you can do.
Rigging isn't all that hard to inspect, even if you want to dye check the fittings.
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06-12-2017, 04:42
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: back at langkawi
Boat: valiant 40
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Re: Use old standing rigging? Ever had a failure?
I suspect most insurance companies would include any conditions that would negate a claim, there responsibility is to ensure profit and growth. I think a skilled rigger is a better judge.
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