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Old 02-02-2016, 18:01   #1
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Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

I sailed one time on a ketch that had a big piece wood tied between the shrouds of the fore mast and the mizzen.
Made for one big feeling of security.

I'm wondering if anyone does similar on a 'single-sticker'?
I.e. Between the cap shrouds and them ones in the middle?

See photo... A mock-up with a broom and boat hook.

I'm wondering if that would, over time, lead to issues of 'unfair' load on those shrouds or some such?
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

A passerelle or a plank for mooring against piles is often stored there.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

I've done that on some boats for crew security, only I used a length of line instead of a piece of wood. More flexibility in arranging things that way.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

IMO,

This guy needs to take the boat out for a few sails and then come back with questions., based on what he experienced.

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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

If you concern is the lack of life lines, a jury rig like you propose is no solution. Either get used to using tethers or install some proper lifelines.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

Yup, need lifelines. Of course you could just wrap the boat in duck tape and hope for the best.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

There appear to be lifelines?
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wrap the boat in duck tape .
Sticky side in should help too.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

When offshore the Pardeys ran a line chest high from the shroud to the boom gallow (and I think a line from shroud to forward pulpit) to give them extra security while going forward. A good idea, easy to rig and easy to remove.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

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This guy needs to take the boat out for a few sails and then come back with questions, based on what he experienced.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

Guy's, click on the picture, see the lifelines? Or am I imagining that?
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

I suspect these are an improvised step for a crew member to stand on to gain a better viewing angle when coming into shallow anchorages with coral heads!

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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

Sheer poles are fairly common on larger boats, though I don't remember seeing any set between masts.

Those things in the picture scare me, though. They don't look strong enough, nor properly seized. I can imagine crew relying on them, then being surprised at exactly the wrong moment.
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Sheer poles are fairly common on larger boats, though I don't remember seeing any set between masts.

Those things in the picture scare me, though. They don't look strong enough, nor properly seized. I can imagine crew relying on them, then being surprised at exactly the wrong moment.
OP stated that they were simply put there to make a mock-up to give a visual of what he was trying to describe, and not that they were the actual set-up.

Personally, I don't think that a piece of wood through there would give much extra support for strength. Something to grab easily perhaps, a step up higher as was suggested, maybe to keep the shrouds tighter when they're on the lee side of a very strong upwind beat? Plenty of boats do without, so I don't imagine there's any benefit to them being there otherwise.
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Re: Tie a wood piece across shrouds as 'safety'? Issues with rig?

We have implemented "Larry (Pardey) Lines" on our J42 for bluewater sailing. They were very handy in the Marion Bermuda Race last year, with 25 foot seas in the Gulf Stream as we sailed thru TS Bill. A single dacron warp goes from the stern pulpit around the shrouds thru the bow cleats and back. A Y bridle is bowlined around the cap shrouds and the Larry Lines and elevated with a spare spinnaker hallyard to raise the lines to about shoulder height at the shrouds, which allow the boom to fully square off the wind. The Larry lines do a great job of keeping our permanently-rigged preventers from hanging up on coach roof gear, and the lazy jib sheet from catching on the spinnaker pole car if the pole is on deck. In port we just slack the hallyard and drop the lines on deck for convenience. We also were pleased to see that the LL pose no interference to our new 100% staysail near to closehauled with the double head rig.

The net result is the LL remedy the significant safety deficit of the absurd 24" stanchion "trip lines" seen on our and most other production boats.

We also added removable extended 1.25" posts over the cockpit stanchions to provide more clearance for passing between the dodger and the Larry Line going forward.

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