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Old 08-06-2008, 17:36   #16
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You could allways contact the mast mfg. and ask them. Thats what I did with my Metalmast.
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Juan Jose :
I found this fourum just looking for a alternative for my Pandora 34, rollerfurling G1 sail, to get an other way to stablish a storm jib, without change the sail.
Do you know something about ?
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Old 29-03-2010, 01:01   #18
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Solent Stay Question

Hi Jorge:
Next weekend I'll check my marina neighbour (a Pandora 34) to see if a solent stay can be done.
Where in Uruguay are you? I'll be in Colonia on april 10, so if you you are close you can check the solution applied in my boat (now an F&C 39)
You can PM me to zingaraiii at yahoo dot com.
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Old 17-11-2011, 13:17   #19
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Re: Solent Stay Question

Really old thread... but instead of starting a new one, this seemed like a great place to post the question.

I bought a storm jib last year with luff tape to go in my furler. Having tried to remove the genoa in a 25kt breeze this summer, I realize that I would never be able to get it off in anything stronger. This storm jib wouldn't work in any condition that I would need it. I need a better solution!

I'm now planning on installing a solent stay for a hanked on storm sail (I won't use it for anything else). I can mount a chain plate to the bulkhead for the anchor locker/v-berth, but to my eye the geometry seems off. Will this angle put too much strain on the backstay? The other option is to mount it padeye forward of the anchor locker and run a tie-rod down to a fitting in the bow (lower anchor locker).

The benefit I can see to the aft (yellow) line is it moves the sail area in and down.

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Old 17-11-2011, 20:01   #20
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Re: Solent Stay Question

G'Day FJ,

For a storm jib, the aftermost line would likely be best. Most folks say to move the storm jib as far aft as possible, getting its CE aft a bit. Seems to help balance the boat when used with a drastically reefed main.

ON our boat the solent stay is semi-permanent now that I've put a roller on it. Still have the Highfield lever, but securing the stay, roller and sail out of the way isn't easy, so we seldom do it. Tacking the Genoa (120%) through the slot just doesn't work for us, so rolling it up for each tack is required. This is a big PITA, and I don't think that I would voluntarily design a rig like this again. So late we get smart...

But, if you only want to rig the solent for the rare usage of the storm jib, shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Solent Stay Question

I believe either stay location could work just fine. The sail may just want to be cut a little differently between the two.

If you are going to be using your current sail (just putting hanks on it), hoist it (in no wind) and check where it wants to be sheeted at both tack locations. It may want to be sheeted at a much more convenient place on deck at one tack location than the other.

If the sheeting is basically the same then just pick whichever is easier and stronger.

If this stay is primarily for the storm jib and will be stowed at the mast otherwise, the I suggest you use a dyneema stay rather than wire. It will bang on the mast a lot less, be easier to handle, and lighter to boot.

If you plan to do any tropical passagemaking, the solent stay is a terrific place to hang a second headsail (say a light 110%) for the 'downwind double headsail' rig - which is great for downwind in the trades.
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Re: Solent Stay Question

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...For a storm jib, the aftermost line would likely be best. Most folks say to move the storm jib as far aft as possible, getting its CE aft a bit. Seems to help balance the boat when used with a drastically reefed main...
A retired professional yachtie once told me that although it is a good idea to get the CE of your small jibs aft (as the CE of the main moves forward with reefing), not to take this too far... he had sailed on boats with the sspitfire and storm jib so far aft it was hard to get the boat through a tack, and one could end up in irons, in a gale!
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Re: Solent Stay Question

With the dyneema stay, what do you use for the deadeyes?

The forward position should be easier for the leads to my inner genoa track... that may be the determining factor right there. It seems that the angle would be off if I moved it back the extra 3 feet.
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You guys are right about the CE. With the small main already on this boat, the new third reef I'm having installed right now may bring it all too far forward.
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Re: Solent Stay Question

fun, you don't need to worry about straining the backstay. The further aft that the base of the solent stay is, the LESS tension it can put on the backstay. It is a matter of leverage, moving the solent stay's base forward will allow you to put more tension on the backstay. The furthest it can go forward is to where the forestay is--so you can't exceed the tension that the backstay normally sees, unless you really find a way to tension the solent stay down, more than the forestay can be.
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With the dyneema stay, what do you use for the deadeyes?
There are a couple options depending on the desired mast/deck connection.

If to padeyes, then a spliced thimble (perhaps an antal low friction ring) in the ends of the stay with dyneema lashing to the padeyes is the usual way.

If to pins, then one of the solid thimbles with the correct sized pin hole(perhaps Colligos )

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You guys are right about the CE. With the small main already on this boat, the new third reef I'm having installed right now may bring it all too far forward.
I have to say that my practical experience is that its very hard on a modern boat to get the storm sail area too far forward. In enough wind, most in fact will sail perfectly fine and well balanced with just the storm jib alone.
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Re: Solent Stay Question

You guys are all awesome!!! Thank you so much for the help Evan, Hellosailor,Weyalan and Jim. I'll post again when I get it all set-up.

Thanks again,

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Re: Solent Stay Question

I added a solent stay. I've put some info on the boat's website but - since I'm in China - can't access the website to tell you what it is !! There maybe something useful there. In the Selden catalogue under "Masts" - I believe - there is a rule of thumb for locating where the tang on the mast should go.
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Re: Solent Stay Question

Check out this site>>> Solent Stay

Jack did a good job of setting up his solent stay.
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Re: Solent Stay Question

Hi Jim & Others,

(Apologies to Matt, not trying to hijack your thread)

Interesting comments. Jim, if you were to design your rig again, how would you do it?

The yacht I have just taken over is set up for the tradewind sailing, and has a Solent Rig with furlers. I have looked at this a lot, and came to the same conclusion that furling & unfurling on changing tack will be a real PITA, and particularly as I will be singlehanding most of the time, and my local haunt will be in Port Phillip Bay, and out in the Bass Straight and SE Vic.

I would like to modify it to a Cutter Rig, mounting it as an inner forestay and using the furler, but (and here is the BUT), I would like it to be removeable (to free up the deck area when at home on the hook), and be able to remount it back to being a Solent Rig (I know I know...hard to please) or since it is a Ketch, just remove it altogether?

Suggestions anyone or am I nuts?
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