Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 21-12-2015, 06:56   #1
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Grenada
Boat: Shorebro,Royal 33 - Aloisius
Posts: 927
Reefing

Does anyone have an easier way to reef a sail? We have a two reefs in the sail. I do not know the proper words for the parts so I will describe. There are two rings at the reef points, one on port one on starboard, connected with a strap. The rings attach to a hook on the mast by the boom.

Generally a task to get both rings set on the first reef, VERY hard on the second. We reef on days that we are out and winds pick up greater than 20 knots. Up to then we reduce sail by bringing in the jib. Winds here are generally always 15 to 20. During winter we get Christmas winds greater than 20k.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________

__________________
landonshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 07:18   #2
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Reefing

There almost as many ways to reef as there are sailors and boats!

If reefing were as easy as a course correction, we'd all be doing it just for fun...
Reefing early before the major wind component is key... Adding reefing lines complicates, but eases the procedure... If the major obstacle of obtaining the 2nd reef is pulling effort to get the tack down, try using your topping lift a bit... Inward toward the goose, loosen the outhaul beforehand...

I'm finding a lack of explainability today... Others will chime in with tips!
__________________

__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 07:25   #3
Moderator
 
nigel1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Manchester, UK
Boat: Beneteau 473
Posts: 5,182
Re: Reefing

Ease main sheet vang, and haul on topping lift to lift boom a touch.
If you know it's going to be a blow, reef before leaving the dock, then drop the sail again.
Reef early before wind strength makes it difficult (easier said than done), I should listen to my own advise.
__________________
Nigel
Beneteau 473
Manchester, UK
nigel1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 08:07   #4
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Reefing

Oh... and vang....
(sillysailor)
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 08:22   #5
Registered User
 
NahanniV's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: On the Boat
Boat: Finnsailer 38
Posts: 1,143
Re: Reefing

I think I have the same setup.

You only need to hook the ring on ONE side !
Hook whichever side is easier.
The ring on the other end just pulls into the grommet.

That should make it easier

Cheers,
JM.
__________________
NahanniV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 08:24   #6
CF Adviser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Boat: Custom Van De Stadt 47 Samoa
Posts: 3,743
Re: Reefing

Quote:
Originally Posted by landonshaw View Post
Generally a task to get both rings set on the first reef, VERY hard on the second.
First, it is NOT required that you get both rings over both horns. One ring over one horn for each reef is sufficient. You can make these webbing straps a bit longer and that often helps.

Second, rather than the horns, it is easier to put a pad eye on the mast, with two rope strops tied/spliced to it, with quick release shackles on their ends. You then just snap these shackles to the rings on the sail. This is how the tack reefs are often secured on larger boats. It is rather easier than trying to pull your rings under the horns

Third, instead of simple fixed length strops, you can use tackles. That way they can be long when you attach them to make it easy and then you pull on them and the tighten/shorten up. This is like a 'Cunningham'. It is perhaps an unnecessary complication, but does make things easier.
__________________
estarzinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 08:26   #7
Registered User
 
Training Wheels's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Left coast.
Posts: 671
Reefing

I changed my reeling tack hooks to eyes that I have dyneema loops luggage tagged to. I put a cleat on the mast. Now, when I reef, I run the loop through the reef point and put it over the cleat. Quick and easy to do, plus it stays put until you take it off. I have one on both sides, so both reef points can be tied in at the same time.

Mark your halyard at the appropriate places, so you you just lower the halyard to the mark.

You could also attach snap shackles to the gooseneck or mast, on loops, and just snap shackle to your reef tacks.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Training Wheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 09:48   #8
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Grenada
Boat: Shorebro,Royal 33 - Aloisius
Posts: 927
Re: Reefing

Thanks, I have attached the rings on both sides as often as I can. Always wondered if I needed both. Sounds like a few suggestions to follow up on. Thanks. Generally try to reef before going out, although not often enough. When I'm out for days, the first I generally don't reef until night time. Then I reef and leave it in for the rest of the trip.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
landonshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2015, 13:59   #9
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Re: Reefing

What do you mean by "both rings"? If you have a typical two rings and webbing arrangement then only one ring goes on the horn (hook).

Only one ring goes on the horn, the other stays at the sail.

When reef No2 goes down, the opposite ring (of the second reef) goes on the opposite horn.

If it is difficult, you are doing something wrong.

b.
__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2015, 05:23   #10
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Grenada
Boat: Shorebro,Royal 33 - Aloisius
Posts: 927
Re: Reefing

I have always hooked both rings, starboard and port when I reef the sail. Hard to get the second ring into position to attach on th hook. By just doing one, that should make it a lot easier.
__________________
landonshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2015, 05:40   #11
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25
Re: Reefing

Last 4 posts have it all

Often you can't reef early so its gotta be done when there's too much wind so having an easy method is essential

I bring the boat up to 30 degrees from the wind (using engine if absolutely must but watch for lines overboard). Drop halyard to marked position, etc.

Oh, and never fear to reef. Sometimes when heading downwind and I want to reef I get scared at turning up - a big blast as apparent wind hits. But its always better to tuck the reef in so just be brave and do the work
__________________
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2015, 07:31   #12
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,314
Re: Reefing

On our boat, it is only in heavy downwind situations that I must physically pull the sail down. In all other situations I only ease the halyard to the reef mark, slack the sail (sheet and vang) so that it flogs once at which point it nearly always slides down one reef. I go forward and put the reef cringle on the horn. Then I go back to the cockpit and make the halyard tight. Job done. About 30 seconds work, no effort.

Whenever things get hard to do, you risk injure or damage.

Try reefing in flat conditions, see if it is hard because something gets stuck.

b.
__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2015, 09:27   #13
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Grenada
Boat: Shorebro,Royal 33 - Aloisius
Posts: 927
Re: Reefing

I emailed the sail maker of our main sail, Mack Sails in Florida. GREAT sail and extremely good service.

They agree that only one hook is needed on the reef. That leaves the other horn available for a second reef.

sv Aloisius, Dave


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________

__________________
landonshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Beneteau 50 In Mast Reefing vs Slab Reefing simon10 Monohull Sailboats 20 11-09-2008 07:22
Single line reefing harryvee Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 13 07-07-2006 19:22
Reefing Systems sjs General Sailing Forum 4 26-08-2004 10:14
Roller reefing / furling sails BBWolf General Sailing Forum 1 12-11-2003 21:10



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:56.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.