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Old 25-05-2019, 19:02   #1
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Real simple bone head rigging questions

I got this little sailboat and it has been sitting in the yard too many years. TIme to get it in the water or haul it to the dump.


I started to look at the mast and there are things I don't recognize.


1. The backstay
2. Topping lift?
3. Main halyard?
4. No idea and there is a matching one ont he other side. Why would you drill a thru hole in the top of the mast? Seems like a risk of it breaking there.
5.Upper starbrd shroud
6. No idea
7.Forestay but I am not sure why it is inside of the Jib halyard
8. Jib Halyard?


Thanks for the remedial help
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Old 25-05-2019, 19:58   #2
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Re: Real simple bone head rigging questions

Mike, what make-model boat? What sails does it have?


My 21' does not have a back stay, does have upper and lower shrouds, and has baby stays (short side stays, almost even with the mast step) to help with raising the mast. My masthead has two blocks aft for topping lift and main halyard, one block forward for the headsail, no provisions for spinnaker or flags.


PS: You had me at 'bone head'...
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Old 25-05-2019, 20:05   #3
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My little beastie is a Kingfisher K20.
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Old 25-05-2019, 20:19   #4
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1. backstay
2. Topping lift
3. Main halyard
4. lazyjacks
5. Upper starbrd shroud
6. Jib halyard
7. Forestay
8. Spinnaker Halyard


That's my best guess. The line in what I think is the spinnaker halyard sheave seems kind of heavy.

The holes for #4 are not a problem so close to the top, and lazyjacks aren't a big load.

very helpful picture, btw.
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Old 26-05-2019, 05:19   #5
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Re: Real simple bone head rigging questions

Thanks.
Yes the size of the line in 8 surprised me too because it is bigger than the main halyard and the Jib halyard.
It makes sense that it is a spinnaker being on the "outside" and the inner being the jib halyard.



Don't understand why someone would have drilled the mast for lazyjacks since it has boom roller fuller for the main.



OK thanks very much. There is no way of knowing how old the rigging is but it seems prudent to replace it all because it could be 50 years old.


Thinking of using Dyneema instead of wire. I like the idea of being able to replace things myself.


It's been over a decade since I sailed and needed the kickstart, thanks
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Re: Real simple bone head rigging questions

Check out the Kingfisher Yacht Owners Assoc. ☞ https://www.kyoa.org.uk/
Specifically the “K20" section.

The picture below is from ☞ https://kingfisherk20yacht.wordpress.com/



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Old 26-05-2019, 07:24   #7
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Thanks. I have a collection of about all the pictures on the net of the K20 but missed that one. I am a member of the KYOA site but it is really inactive with the last entry for K20's being about 6 months old, except my entries


That picture and the others really help confirm what the lines are all for in my mast picture.


This little boat still seems to have all the work of a larger boat and I can't stand up in it But the "boat units" are definitely smaller.
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This little boat still seems to have all the work of a larger boat and I can't stand up in it But the "boat units" are definitely smaller.

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1. backstay
2. Topping lift
3. Main halyard
4. lazyjacks
5. Upper starbrd shroud
6. Jib halyard
7. Forestay
8. Spinnaker Halyard


That's my best guess. The line in what I think is the spinnaker halyard sheave seems kind of heavy.

The holes for #4 are not a problem so close to the top, and lazyjacks aren't a big load.

very helpful picture, btw.
Sounds like you got it, but I second Lake-Effect here. I used to sail with a friend who had a boat, very similar to the Kingfisher in specs and vintage, a Signet 20, up and down the California coast. Very capable little boat.
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Thanks. I have a collection of about all the pictures on the net of the K20 but missed that one. I am a member of the KYOA site but it is really inactive with the last entry for K20's being about 6 months old, except my entries


That picture and the others really help confirm what the lines are all for in my mast picture.


This little boat still seems to have all the work of a larger boat and I can't stand up in it But the "boat units" are definitely smaller.


Looks like a lovely boat to me. Had a similar 20 footer years ago, really miss the simplicity.

Regarding head room, one thing my boat had was scissor-lift companionway hatch. Allowed you stand in the companionway with a small roof over your head and your body protected from the elements. When combined with a Raymarine Tillerpilot it made for a surprisingly comfortable little overnight cruiser as you could safely camp out next to the galley when under way.
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Looks like a lovely boat to me. Had a similar 20 footer years ago, really miss the simplicity.

Regarding head room, one thing my boat had was scissor-lift companionway hatch. Allowed you stand in the companionway with a small roof over your head and your body protected from the elements. When combined with a Raymarine Tillerpilot it made for a surprisingly comfortable little overnight cruiser as you could safely camp out next to the galley when under way.

I like that idea a lot. What was used for the scissor-lift. I have thought about just raising it up in a permanent hard dodger over the hatch.


Unfortunately I have a lot of repairs to do. I was not smart enough to notice, when I bought her, that she must have gotten knocked down or fell off the trailer at one time. The stanchions were gone and there were metal plates glued to the deck I could not figure out. The seller did not answer any of my questions and played dumb. Under the plates are where the stanchion bases were pushed into and through the deck. Base of the mast was damaged, Handrails gone, and a couple of holes in the stern deck repaired with plastic sheet cut to fit and glued.



But she was made in the day of solid fiberglass and is built like a tank. I just need to think of her as a really nice tent, that I can't stand up in It does have an amazing interior for such a small boat.



I am building a new pypilot autopilot using an old Simrad 5500.


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... I am building a new pypilot autopilot using an old Simrad 5500 ...
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Thank you but I am just using the motor to build a new auto pilot using the pypilot project.
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I like that idea a lot. What was used for the scissor-lift. I have thought about just raising it up in a permanent hard dodger over the hatch.
It was some kind of commercial mechanism that came with the boat. It had the advantage that the whole lot still slid forward out of the way as a single unit like a normal hatch, it was just that it could also raise up in the closed position. Probably not too hard to fabricate from scratch really. I would not recommend a permanent raised dodger in that position, too hard to come and go in a hurry, you'd be bound to smack your head on it just when you really needed all your faculties working properly.

I've sketched it and attached a sketch below, before fabricating anything I would check around some second-hand boat bits places and see if you could source the bits.

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Great idea. I made my own tiller pilot brain using a picaxe chip and a CMS300 chip. It worked very well, but the mechanism was the weak point. I might have been better off finding a lobotomised commercial unit. My actuator was made from a cordless screwdriver and a length of threaded rod. Budget friendly, but ultimately not up to the task. In the end I bought the Tillerpilot and loved it, but I think it was the single biggest expense I ever had for that boat aside from the purchase.
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This might help...

I found some photos of the boat here in my CF profile.

Cruisers & Sailing Forums - GILow's Album: Haggis - Picture

The useful ones are attached below, gives SOME sense of how the mechanism worked on the hatch.

(Yes, the mast is pink, don't ask. )
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