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Old 18-06-2011, 04:36   #1
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Raising Storm Jib

My 28 footer doesn't have an inner forestay, and I've been wondering how to raise the storm jib when the wind's up. Removing the headsail from the with any serious wind about is just not going to happen, so I can't use the furler.

So I've tried raising the storm jib using the spinnaker halyard, with the tack lashed to the mooring bollard which is about 2 ft back from the bow. I've tried it in about 15 knots, which is a sort of halfway test. I reckon keeping enough tension in the luff will be a challenge, but otherwise it seems ok to me. Has anyone else done this?

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You'll want to hoist an inner stay on a halyard first. Unless you want a disaster The best trick is to use a Spectra stay, maybe 8mm, and plastic hanks. The bronze hanks might work if you make double sure they are smooth inside. Hoist the halyard bar tight. Then the storm jib. Obviously this takes a total of 3 halyards ... kinda a race boat number. So you can add a block and halyard to the stay assembly. Yeah..complicated. The downside of a furler.
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Re: Raising Storm Jib

Hoist it earlier! Or look at a gale sail
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Hoist it earlier! Or look at a gale sail
Watch the video about the Gale Sail on the ATN web site and picture yourself doing that on your foredeck in 35 or 40 kts and big seas. Bad idea.
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Re: Raising Storm Jib

You need a wire luff (hankless) storm jib. See if the sailmaker can convert your current one.

Then you can hoist it like that from your bollard. Or install a padeye in a better location.
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Re: Raising Storm Jib

Callmecrazy offers the easiest solution. Be sure to have the sailmaker make the tack end of the penant long enough to get the sail up off the deck so it will not catch a wave. You may have a chafe problem using the spinnaker halyard if the mast head horn sticks out far enough to foul the furling forestay, but you can easily add a bad eye and block about 1/3 of the way down the mast for a halyard. On that size of boat I imagine you will get quite a bit of use out of it and extend your sailing days. have fun!
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Re: Raising Storm Jib

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My 28 footer doesn't have an inner forestay, and I've been wondering how to raise the storm jib when the wind's up. Removing the headsail from the with any serious wind about is just not going to happen, so I can't use the furler.

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Hey Lockie,

This is why storm jibs are obsolete.

Their use is on the forestay, a 28 footer will never have a inner forestay.

As you so rightly mention, there is no way you, or me, are crazy enough to go forward and wrangle an almost furled genoa thats drawing well to your strom, to douse it for a strom jib.

Just get hit by the sheet once when its flapping about in 50 knots of wind and you will have a bruise to remember.

I furl, and furl my Genny till its tiny. It doesn't work overly well, but then I am not trying to break records, just stop my boat from breaking.




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Old 18-06-2011, 07:26   #8
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Re: Raising Storm Jib

OK I just found a photo of a Compass 28 with an inner forestay.

Your storm jib wold be about 3 inches along the foot.
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Mark's right. Even if you were to raise a storm jib, you're furled sail will be doing as much work as the storm jib, which kinda negates the point of the storm jib in the first place... Might as well just use it.
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You need a wire luff (hankless) storm jib. See if the sailmaker can convert your current one.

Then you can hoist it like that from your bollard. Or install a padeye in a better location.
As soon as that hankless sail is out of the bag it will be foredeck mayhem. Blood and tears will be the only result. You need a halyard.

Not so sure the storm sail is obsolete. Seems pretty handy to me. The furled genoa is certainly a drag though. I bag it if I see any hint of seriously bad weather coming. At 770 sqft and 110 pounds it can be a whole morning of fun.
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As soon as that hankless sail is out of the bag it will be foredeck mayhem. Blood and tears will be the only result. You need a halyard.
Please explain how handling this sail is any different than a hank on sail.
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Please explain how handling this sail is any different than a hank on sail.
Cos when you clip it onto a stay you have secured one side from flapping as you hoist it.

If all 3 sides are unsecured when you haul it up in 40 knots you will be flicked to death at the mast.




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Cos when you clip it onto a stay you have secured one side from flapping as you hoist it.

If all 3 sides are unsecured when you haul it up in 40 knots you will be flicked to death at the mast.




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I see.
I had thought about this, but I'm convinced there must be 'right' way to do it So obviously it is 'different', but possibly not necessarily more difficult. Even with one end tied down (on a regular hank on) you still have the other end to contend with while you get the sheets sorted and hoisted. In 40 knots, there's going to be some mayhem going on with either one...

I'd imagine you could hoist it off the wind without getting beat up, then sheet it in tight and head up to drop the working jib. It also wouldn't be too difficult to have it readied and lashed near the mast, before the wind is 40kts, so you only need to attach the halyard, pull the ties off, and start hoisting. (edit) I've seen singlehanded racing sailors hoist spinnakers right from the cockpit, could use the same method for this sail too.

(for my boat) I'd rather figure out how to use one one of these properly, than to put a storm jib on my forestay. Of course installing a solent stay is ideal and I'll probably do that one day, but I think these sails have their place on smaller boats with hank-on sails, or any other boat that doesn't have a second forestay installed and that doesn't wish to rely on the furler... Plus, they have other uses
It's just a matter of figuring it out...
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(for my boat) I'd rather figure out how to use one one of these properly, .
I don't think there's a 'properly' in any of these sort of things. Just work on it till you get it working for you and your boat.

If someone at the Yacht Club with the Comodores Cap on says "Well, thats just not done properly" then so what?



As you say, its just a matter of figuring it out for you.
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Wire luff storm jib I suppose, but really, in a real blow you're going to want an inner stay up to use the sail properly. You'll want it real flat...
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