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Old 28-08-2017, 20:05   #1
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Problems in installing a furlex 50S

I bought a furlex 50 S and the toogle. But the toggle (517-065-01) for steam ball terminal doesn’t attachment the forestay to the mast properly. My boat is a jeanneau 24 OD. And the standing rigging is steam ball terminals with shell.
The salesman says that there is no chance to attach the Furlex to this kind of mounting. That I should change the mast fitting and use T-shaped ones.
But why can´t I use the old forestay without using a toggle and maximizing the luff? I don't like to drill mast. And I think the actual rigging has enough flexibility, am I wrong? Why there isn’t a toggle for this rigging?

I´ll apreciate an advice.
Thank you for your attention.
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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

There is a fitting available that has a stem-ball one end and accepts toggle the other called stem-ball eye toggle/ with fork/ fork toggle specifically designed for use with Furlex to other masts such as French.

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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Forgot to say you should be able to use your old fore stay! a lot of people do rather than replace, the stem -ball fittings are designed to allow for movement -but not as much as as a toggle does

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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Another type of stem ball fitting available that may work,

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Old 29-08-2017, 17:41   #5
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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Hi again

These toggles don't fit.
The steam ball that I have is diferente because it fits in a shell, as I'm showing in the fotos. My sistem is below and the toggle that you mencioned is above.
I'm surprise there isn't a toggle for this terminal. Do you think it is save using the old frontstay? Other furlers like nemo or facnor doens't need a toggle, do they have diferent systems?

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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

The frontstay terminal is similar of the diamond system that a show in the next foto.
I realy don't know what to do... Should I improve a toggle?
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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Could't send the foto, I think
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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Wow, you know this is my first time to see this system used on a Fore-stay, pretty common (or similar) on cap shrouds/lowers etc , Do you know the actual mast manufacturer? it may pay to ask them if they supply custom fittings?

I actually have a older Nemo Wonderfurl that I'm working on right now but it definitely still has a toggle top and bottom(just replaced the whole fore stay with Dyform wire and new toggle ends,

Now another option would be to weld your old style ball fitting to a normal toggle end, saying that I'm not a fan of any welded fittings on terminals but have done it in the past for obscure obsolete fittings that are still sailing 20 years later with no issues,If going this route then the fittings need to TIG welded if possible and welded by an QUALIFIED professional welder, I know may will shout and scream (Dont do this) but I happen to be a professional welder and have parts for SHIPS / propeller shafts/ airplanes/ lifting equipment etc, if your at all worried a simple x-ray/crack test will prove the weld's integrity, parts are welded on the space shuttle to 747 airliners that never have an issue,

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Sorry,

Forgot to ask, hard to tell from your picture but is that Rod rigging or 1/19 wire

Should have asked that first!!

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Another option would be to use the new style toggle with stem ball , but cut your existing backing plate in half place the new style toggle then get the backing welded back together that way you have your toggle now any any type of fore-stay wire etc can be easily fitted,

Welding the backing plate together presents no issues for strength /integrity etc , but would get it done by a qualified TIG welder

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Picture below as idea re cutting the back plate and retro fit the stem toggle

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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

Thanks for the tips.
It’s a 1/19 wire. The mast is a sparcraft Sparcraft FM-78 Mast.
This plate has only a rivet in upper side to assembly to the mast. If I weld the new toggle, can the plate fall due of some vibration due to the extra weight?
Do you think it is safer than use the old frontstay and then replace it maybe in 4 or 5 years?

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Re: Problems in installing a furlex 50S

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Picture below as idea re cutting the back plate and retro fit the stem toggle

Cheers Steve
Hello,
I think I found a good solution.
ACMO-Accastilage Moderne is send me this connection: http://acmo.fr/shop/latte-ridoir/boule-oeilcoq/ but with the 2,5 sparcraft conquile.
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Boule-Oeil+COQ - ACMO
acmo.fr
Sélectionner une page. Accueil / Latte-Ridoir / Boule-Oeil+COQ. Boule-Oeil+COQ

Then I use the fork/fork toggle to connect the eye of the steam ball ( with the conquile attached to the mast) with the eye of the forestay (Selden).
I think this should be the best solution.
But I would like to have your opinion.

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