Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 26-05-2011, 14:41   #16
Senior Cruiser
 
Blue Stocking's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: St. Georges, Bda
Boat: Rhodes Reliant 41ft
Posts: 4,117
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Some of you new kids are not old enough to remember when furling boom boats had the entire gooseneck assembly on a heavy sliding track. You full hoisted the main, and tightened down the luff and boom on a tackle, usually 3 to 1.
So a fixed vang, as used nowadays would not work. Also these older boats did not have mainsheet traveller tracks to bring the mainsheet block to centreline of the boat.
If you wanted the bowse down the mainsail, you rigged that claw as a preventer to a stancion fitting. It, in combination with the mainsheet, would allow you to tighten the leach.
Remember, with 60's sail material, and narrow boats, one didn't pinch as much, but footed off, and let them put their shoulder down and get cracking.
__________________

__________________
so many projects--so little time !!
Blue Stocking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-05-2011, 18:26   #17
Registered User
 
redcobra's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Towson, MD Chesapeake Bay
Boat: Pearson 39 Yawl "ZigZag"
Posts: 516
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Stocking View Post
Some of you new kids are not old enough to remember when furling boom boats had the entire gooseneck assembly on a heavy sliding track. You full hoisted the main, and tightened down the luff and boom on a tackle, usually 3 to 1.
So a fixed vang, as used nowadays would not work. Also these older boats did not have mainsheet traveller tracks to bring the mainsheet block to centreline of the boat.
If you wanted the bowse down the mainsail, you rigged that claw as a preventer to a stancion fitting. It, in combination with the mainsheet, would allow you to tighten the leach.
Remember, with 60's sail material, and narrow boats, one didn't pinch as much, but footed off, and let them put their shoulder down and get cracking.
So true. And you sir have a fabulous boat. I had a friend with one and spent a lot of time on it. Goes like a freight train when she gets moving.
__________________

__________________
redcobra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-05-2011, 20:21   #18
Senior Cruiser
 
roverhi's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kona, Hawaii, Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108 & 1976 Sabre 28
Posts: 6,006
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

If you need the truth again, it's a Vang Claw for use with a roller reefing boom. Rod vangs did not exist until sometime around the '80s after slab reefing had become universal. Rod Vangs won't work with a roller reefed sail in any case. Before the Rod Vangs, vangs were tackle that went from some point on the boom at right angle to a padeye or other fastening point on the deck. These Vang Claws were really poor solutions to just another fault of roller furling booms, no place to fasten things to the boom other than at the ends. Using this claw on a reefed sail would wear holes in the sail if left in one place for much time but they were about the only way to attach a vang to roller reefed sail.

Does anyone know why sailors were so stupid as to have roller reefing booms foisted on them. They made slow, crappy reefs, the hardware was expensive and prone to failure. Having suffered through this reefing system in my youth, truly can't figure out why it was ever invented.
__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a Pearson 35
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 02:21   #19
Registered User
 
vet222's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Perth, Australia
Boat: Crowther, Windspeed, 33'
Posts: 20
still think it looks like a toilet seat
__________________
vet222 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 04:04   #20
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 9,312
Images: 75
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

cut it in half,my wife has something like it for back massage............
__________________
my catamaran building project updates http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...36#post2502136
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 05:12   #21
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 586
Images: 3
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Stocking View Post
Some of you new kids are not old enough to remember
Some of us are older than these antiques and still sail them I thought all boats had downhauls. My Lightning had one as well. Now I know what track you were talking about. I use it all the time to tension the luff and thought others must use one as well. Yes, it is 3:1, attached to the gooseneck. This explains why there is so much talk about tensioning the luff with 2:1 halyards on some threads. Duhhh. I still do not see what this "claw" might have been sheeted to. Can't believe it was supposed to be attached to a stantion, which seems to be inadequate to take that much load. The boat has a main sheet traveller that must have been installed sometime along the way. It still has the original pad eyes for the mainsheet blocks which I left in place when recoring. They are good for emergency, should the traveller fail.
__________________
smurphny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 05:16   #22
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

The question is now what to do with it........
__________________
David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 05:38   #23
Senior Cruiser
 
IslandHopper's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Bundaberg Queensland/Lake Bolac Victoria, Australia
Boat: 45ft Ketch
Posts: 1,202
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Here's a couple in use....


__________________
IslandHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 12:59   #24
Senior Cruiser
 
Blue Stocking's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: St. Georges, Bda
Boat: Rhodes Reliant 41ft
Posts: 4,117
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by roverhi View Post
If you need the truth again, it's a Vang Claw for use with a roller reefing boom. Rod vangs did not exist until sometime around the '80s after slab reefing had become universal. Rod Vangs won't work with a roller reefed sail in any case. Before the Rod Vangs, vangs were tackle that went from some point on the boom at right angle to a padeye or other fastening point on the deck. These Vang Claws were really poor solutions to just another fault of roller furling booms, no place to fasten things to the boom other than at the ends. Using this claw on a reefed sail would wear holes in the sail if left in one place for much time but they were about the only way to attach a vang to roller reefed sail.

Does anyone know why sailors were so stupid as to have roller reefing booms foisted on them. They made slow, crappy reefs, the hardware was expensive and prone to failure. Having suffered through this reefing system in my youth, truly can't figure out why it was ever invented.
You meen like wooden planked hulls and cotton sails?
__________________
so many projects--so little time !!
Blue Stocking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 13:47   #25
Registered User
 
pillum's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: In Aberdeen, Scotland, but retiring to Spain.
Boat: Westerly W-35 (Latterly sold as Conway 36 Aft Cockpit)
Posts: 509
Images: 28
Re: Ok guys. What is it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by redcobra View Post
I'd keep it. good as an emergency mainsheet. My buddy next door has one as a mainsheet on his Contest 30. Next time I'm at the boat I'll take a pic of it for you.
I agree, I'd hang onto it "just in case". Strange things happen at sea...
__________________
pillum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-05-2011, 14:52   #26
Registered User
 
xeon_tsd's Avatar

Join Date: May 2011
Location: "Out There" (mailing Austin TX)
Boat: Lafitte 44
Posts: 419
Re: Ok Guys - What Is It ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey View Post
The question is now what to do with it........
get a very short game of horse shoes going.
__________________

__________________
hopefully I will keep this updated.... http://svchapaai.com
xeon_tsd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello Guys ! samson Meets & Greets 19 08-03-2011 22:14
Hi Guys ! Geminiguy Meets & Greets 6 26-11-2010 19:21
Hi Guys ~ Captain-DL Meets & Greets 5 29-08-2010 20:32
Hi guys caymahallesi Meets & Greets 2 26-01-2009 18:37
Hi Guys Need some help Little Otter Multihull Sailboats 40 06-07-2008 17:34



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:29.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.