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19-03-2015, 12:00
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Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
I am going to be switching over to mechanical terminals and was interested in opinions on the options out there. Thanks for any input you all can give.
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19-03-2015, 12:06
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
I prefer the Stalock terminal over the Norse, more robust in my opinión....
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19-03-2015, 12:13
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
I have used Sta-Loks for 40 years, rerigged a couple of boats with them and have never had a problem. There are some reports of problems with Norseman fittings but unclear if the tests were completely definitive.
Read some comments on this previous thread and decide for yourself.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...n-31283-2.html
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19-03-2015, 12:13
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Have used 7/32" sta-loks for about 22 years and two near global circumnavigations. They're tough to take apart for re-use, but a appropriate sized socket and something to pound the wire out it's doable. If necessary I'd replace them with Sta-loks again.
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19-03-2015, 12:21
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
You may want to add "Hi-Mod" to your list. they are considered by some to be equal to or superior to the Norseman and Sta-Loc. I am having one Norseman put on and they are super strong, but I know others who swear by Sta-Loc. I like how the Hi-Mods have a little star inside to separate the wires. But as far as strength, there is probably a comparison somewhere if you google it. There are youtube videos showing them too.
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19-03-2015, 12:41
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Thanks for y'all's comments.
Skip-Mac...which thread...I looked for one before I posted and couldn't find one. Thanks.
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19-03-2015, 12:45
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
I used Sta-Loks exclusively when I rigged my boat. When it came time to re-rig it was easy and inexpensive to accomplish with fresh wire and a bag of new cones. I have never run into failures (on any boat) or knock-offs.
A friend with a sister-ship had a Norseman fail on his boat; he had purchased them through a reliable source, but when he complained he was told that they must be knock-offs (they probably were not, but how do you prove it?). And there is the rub: there are a lot of Norseman knock-offs around, and not all built to the highest standards. If you do go with Norsemans be very careful of the provenance.
Greg
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19-03-2015, 13:03
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Well now after reading the thread I wish I had gone with Sta-Locs or Hi-Mods. Still I did get the Norsemans from a highly respected rigging shop.
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19-03-2015, 13:25
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
We have Norseman's on for the past 39+ years and zero problems. Have rerigged every 10 years. We have been cruising now for 17 years. I have installed both Norseman and Stalocs on various offshore boats IMHO they are both equal.
Chuck
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19-03-2015, 13:47
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
I've used Blue Wave swageless terminals, and found them to be excellent quality and very easy to use.
Swageless Terminals | BlueWave
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19-03-2015, 14:21
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Have used both but mostly Norsemans. The ones I put on our Westsail are going on 40 years, 3 sets of wire, 3 cruises to SoPac, still going strong. The Norseman's look a little more elegant and less industrial than the StaLoks but that has little to do with their suitability.
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19-03-2015, 17:37
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Hi,
The 1 X 19 wire sold in USA is predominantly left-hand lay (it spirals to the left as it goes up). When a swageless fitting is screwed on, this fitting is turning the same way as the wire lay.
In other parts of the world right-hand lay wire is very common. When the swageless terminal is screwed on it tends to unlay the outer strands of the wire. Sta-Lok terminals have a former between the part being turned and the wire and this former reduces the unlaying of the wire as it allows a bit of slip. Norseman terminals do not have a former.
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19-03-2015, 18:25
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Quote:
Originally Posted by david samuelson
Hi,
The 1 X 19 wire sold in USA is predominantly left-hand lay (it spirals to the left as it goes up). When a swageless fitting is screwed on, this fitting is turning the same way as the wire lay.
In other parts of the world right-hand lay wire is very common. When the swageless terminal is screwed on it tends to unlay the outer strands of the wire. Sta-Lok terminals have a former between the part being turned and the wire and this former reduces the unlaying of the wire as it allows a bit of slip. Norseman terminals do not have a former.
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We chose all Staloks over Norsemans for this reason. Not a problem with Norsemans just something else for the assembler to consider. Either are well engineered options.
There are some great responses here from long term users.
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20-03-2015, 18:35
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
Replaced all my standing rigging (11 stayes on my cutter) 4 years ago. Used Sta-Loc exclusively after handling examples of the competitors. They just seemed to be better finished overall. Still happy with my decision and they have performed perfectly.
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20-03-2015, 23:01
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc
We too have used both, and have had no failures with either, over a period of nearly forty years. We've seen knock-off Norseman fittings that developed cracks... they were to my eye less well finished than the real thing, and I would hope that any reputable vendor could tell the difference (if they cared).
But,if starting fresh, I would likely pick Sta-Loks, just for the obvious robustness and the inclusion of the former. That device, incidentally, makes re-use a bit more work, for they get gummed up with whatever sealant one uses in assembly and cleaning is required.
Cheers,
Jim (using Ann's computer) lying Babel Island, waiting out some N'lies
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