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Old 19-03-2015, 13:00   #1
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Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

I am going to be switching over to mechanical terminals and was interested in opinions on the options out there. Thanks for any input you all can give.


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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

I prefer the Stalock terminal over the Norse, more robust in my opinión....
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

I have used Sta-Loks for 40 years, rerigged a couple of boats with them and have never had a problem. There are some reports of problems with Norseman fittings but unclear if the tests were completely definitive.

Read some comments on this previous thread and decide for yourself.

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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

Have used 7/32" sta-loks for about 22 years and two near global circumnavigations. They're tough to take apart for re-use, but a appropriate sized socket and something to pound the wire out it's doable. If necessary I'd replace them with Sta-loks again.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

You may want to add "Hi-Mod" to your list. they are considered by some to be equal to or superior to the Norseman and Sta-Loc. I am having one Norseman put on and they are super strong, but I know others who swear by Sta-Loc. I like how the Hi-Mods have a little star inside to separate the wires. But as far as strength, there is probably a comparison somewhere if you google it. There are youtube videos showing them too.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

Thanks for y'all's comments.

Skip-Mac...which thread...I looked for one before I posted and couldn't find one. Thanks.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

I used Sta-Loks exclusively when I rigged my boat. When it came time to re-rig it was easy and inexpensive to accomplish with fresh wire and a bag of new cones. I have never run into failures (on any boat) or knock-offs.

A friend with a sister-ship had a Norseman fail on his boat; he had purchased them through a reliable source, but when he complained he was told that they must be knock-offs (they probably were not, but how do you prove it?). And there is the rub: there are a lot of Norseman knock-offs around, and not all built to the highest standards. If you do go with Norsemans be very careful of the provenance.

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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

Well now after reading the thread I wish I had gone with Sta-Locs or Hi-Mods. Still I did get the Norsemans from a highly respected rigging shop.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

We have Norseman's on for the past 39+ years and zero problems. Have rerigged every 10 years. We have been cruising now for 17 years. I have installed both Norseman and Stalocs on various offshore boats IMHO they are both equal.

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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

I've used Blue Wave swageless terminals, and found them to be excellent quality and very easy to use.


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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

Have used both but mostly Norsemans. The ones I put on our Westsail are going on 40 years, 3 sets of wire, 3 cruises to SoPac, still going strong. The Norseman's look a little more elegant and less industrial than the StaLoks but that has little to do with their suitability.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

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The 1 X 19 wire sold in USA is predominantly left-hand lay (it spirals to the left as it goes up). When a swageless fitting is screwed on, this fitting is turning the same way as the wire lay.
In other parts of the world right-hand lay wire is very common. When the swageless terminal is screwed on it tends to unlay the outer strands of the wire. Sta-Lok terminals have a former between the part being turned and the wire and this former reduces the unlaying of the wire as it allows a bit of slip. Norseman terminals do not have a former.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

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The 1 X 19 wire sold in USA is predominantly left-hand lay (it spirals to the left as it goes up). When a swageless fitting is screwed on, this fitting is turning the same way as the wire lay.
In other parts of the world right-hand lay wire is very common. When the swageless terminal is screwed on it tends to unlay the outer strands of the wire. Sta-Lok terminals have a former between the part being turned and the wire and this former reduces the unlaying of the wire as it allows a bit of slip. Norseman terminals do not have a former.
We chose all Staloks over Norsemans for this reason. Not a problem with Norsemans just something else for the assembler to consider. Either are well engineered options.

There are some great responses here from long term users.

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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

Replaced all my standing rigging (11 stayes on my cutter) 4 years ago. Used Sta-Loc exclusively after handling examples of the competitors. They just seemed to be better finished overall. Still happy with my decision and they have performed perfectly.
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Re: Norseman vs. Sta-Loc

We too have used both, and have had no failures with either, over a period of nearly forty years. We've seen knock-off Norseman fittings that developed cracks... they were to my eye less well finished than the real thing, and I would hope that any reputable vendor could tell the difference (if they cared).

But,if starting fresh, I would likely pick Sta-Loks, just for the obvious robustness and the inclusion of the former. That device, incidentally, makes re-use a bit more work, for they get gummed up with whatever sealant one uses in assembly and cleaning is required.

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