Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 19-03-2009, 23:21   #16
Moderator
 
Boracay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pelican Bay, Great Sandy National Park
Boat: Steel Roberts Offshore 44
Posts: 5,175
Images: 18
Folding mast steps?

I am contemplating folding mast steps for Boracay.

How would they go combined, say, with a climbers harness for extra safety?

Would they weaken the mast significantly?
__________________

__________________
Rust never sleeps
Boracay Blog.
Boracay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 02:37   #17
Senior Cruiser
 
Lancerbye's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ladysmith,BC, Vancouver Island , Canada
Boat: Lancer 44 Motorsailer
Posts: 1,757
Images: 32
Boracay
That's what I use. 38 of them. Two side by side 36 in. from the top of the mast as a standing platform. I use a climbing harness with a safety slip knot tied to a spare tightened halyard running from the mast plate. I spaced them 20 in apart staggered. A bit of a stretch but good exercise. I am 65 and go up at least once a day for inspection( actually more for excersise ) I love the view from the top.
__________________

__________________
The basis of accomplishment is in never quitting
Mengzi Meng-tse
Lancerbye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 04:01   #18
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
I've found the Klemheist climbing knot to be a good choice for attaching to the safety halyard. I tested it close to the deck, and it holds my weight without slipping, but is easy to slide up as I climb my Mast Mate steps. I use it with a climbing harness. I find a bosun's chair to be an exquisite instrument of torture.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	klemheist-knot-4.jpg
Views:	147
Size:	7.3 KB
ID:	7485  
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 06:46   #19
Senior Cruiser
 
Lancerbye's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ladysmith,BC, Vancouver Island , Canada
Boat: Lancer 44 Motorsailer
Posts: 1,757
Images: 32
I use the Prusik knot, same idea.
__________________
The basis of accomplishment is in never quitting
Mengzi Meng-tse
Lancerbye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 07:35   #20
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,579
Images: 240
I’ve always used - and highly recommend - the “Triple Sliding Hitch”, which requires adding a third turn.

See also:
Prusik Knot described under Basic Roped Rescue Knots:

http://www.rescueresponse.com/html/n...technique.html
and:
Transferring a Load from Belayer to Anchor via a Prusik Sling
http://www.rescuedynamics.ca/article...nterTieOff.pdf

See also:
Climbing the Mast Safety

and my favorite 'knot' site:
“Animated Knots by Grog”

Animated Knots by Grog
Attached Images
 
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 08:37   #21
Senior Cruiser
 
Lancerbye's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ladysmith,BC, Vancouver Island , Canada
Boat: Lancer 44 Motorsailer
Posts: 1,757
Images: 32
Yes. That is the one I use tied to my safety harness, moving it up and down the tight halyard as I climb using the mast steps. Works great. Thanks for those sites Gord.
__________________
The basis of accomplishment is in never quitting
Mengzi Meng-tse
Lancerbye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 16:20   #22
Registered User
 
searcher's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Nelson New Zealand
Boat: Eric Cox offshore 40ft cutter rigged sloop. named "Searcher" built 1965
Posts: 39
Images: 10
All this info is very interesting, that you for your input everyone......Paulo NZ
__________________
searcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 19:21   #23
Registered User
 
Dreaming Yachtsman's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Kennewick, WA
Posts: 490
Images: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to Dreaming Yachtsman
I have used my Top Climber a couple of times when no one else was around. My preferred method is to be hoisted up in a bosun's chair by the topping lift run to the anchor windlass. Unlike Peter O (roverhi), I don't climb the mast just to look around or take pictures. The Top Climber only allows the user to rise about 6 inches (0.2 meters) with each cycle of the device. My mast is 65 feet high so getting to the top requires way more cycles than I am willing to do just for pictures.
__________________
John
Formerly S/V Yachtsman's Dream
Go sailing now. Life is too short not to enjoy it.
Dreaming Yachtsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2009, 19:41   #24
Senior Cruiser
 
starfish62's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Florida
Boat: Gulfstar 44 Sloop
Posts: 647
Images: 4
I use this caving gear with a Harken bosun's chair. Very efficient up & down, and very comfortable if I have to spend some time up the stick. The croll just rides up the line while ascending and is an extra safety, and with this system the ascender and the croll are always engaged. It just feels safe. Plus you can get above the top of the stick to play with the whirlybirds & sheaves & stuff. I haven't used the ATN, so can't comment on it, but I think this is probably quite a bit cheaper.

Petzl Frog Ascending System - Use coupon code KS97X4 for 10% off your order

PS: Nothing personal Gord, but Hud's knot is way cooler looking.
__________________
Starfish
starfish62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-09-2009, 09:31   #25
Cap
Registered User
 
Cap's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Mustang Ridge, Tx/Port Aransas, Tx
Boat: 1984 Witness 35 Catamaran
Posts: 60
Mast Climbing

Hi All,

I've got a question regarding reaching the top on a in-mast furling system. What is the best product to use, and does it work?

Thanks...Jeff
__________________
Cap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-09-2009, 21:44   #26
Registered User
 
svstrider's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: back on Gold Coast after sailing north to Thailand then east to Pacific via Irian Jaya, PNG & Solomons
Boat: Tennant 47ft Catamaran
Posts: 310
When using the Top Climber, how tight must the line you are using to ascend on have to be. I have found that unless the climbing rope is VERY tight, I end up wasting a lot of effort as when I use my legs to push up, the line & legs just go sideways. Am I doing something wrong. On my previous boat I was worried that I was putting too much downwards pressure on the mast as I had to have the climbing rope so tight.
Suggestions/ experience?
__________________
Paul & Kaspar de Wonda Dog
S/V "Pelican V"
"Trust not a living soul and step warily around the dead"
svstrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-09-2009, 10:24   #27
Senior Cruiser
 
roverhi's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kona, Hawaii, Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108 & 1976 Sabre 28
Posts: 6,003
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
The rope needs to well tensioned or you waste a lot of energy overcoming stretch in the rope. You can't put too much tension on the line with normal halyard winches. Think how much tension you put on the main or jib halyard getting the scalloping out of the luff when the wind pipes up.

I switched from StaSet X main halyard to one of the new super low stretch lines and it made using the Top Climber a lot better.
__________________
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 09:05   #28
Registered User
 
theonecalledtom's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Socal
Boat: Beneteau 36.7
Posts: 386
Images: 1
Re: Mast Climbing

Quote:
Originally Posted by roger.waite View Post
I went that way as well ... very comfortable, very safe.
I went the way of a bosun's chair and pair of ascenders but hit this thread while looking for alternatives. My feelings:
  • Bosuns chair is not secure, especially when standing at the top of the mast or swinging out to spreader tips
  • While able to operate this on my own I felt I wanted someone with a safety line on a winch
  • While reasonably fit I'm not a climber and on the third ascent in a row my operation of the ascenders was getting pretty ragged
  • Modern climbing equipment must offer something more practical

So I'm now shopping for something more secure.

Looking at the ladder type solutions they look okay for at the dock but I want something I can operate, solo, at sea. They also look like they are aimed at the mast and access to spreader tips would be trickier.
__________________
sailing367.blogspot.com
theonecalledtom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 10:26   #29
Registered User
 
Jon Neely's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Cruising East bound to EU
Boat: Hans Christian 33
Posts: 283
We have a top climber and it works fairly well. I think of myself as a fairly fit limber guy but I will have a sweet brewing by the time I get to the top of my 41' mast. Usually takes me about 10 minutes to do. Yesterday we replaced the outer shrouds and we ended up using the windlass after the first trip, just not enough energy to make three more trips. Old boat had folding steps and I miss them dearly. It was a breeze climbing the mast. When we get to Cali and drop the mast, I'll be installing steps, most likely capehorns.
__________________
Watch Our Adventure on a HC33 at youtube.com/c/sailingvesselprism
Jon Neely is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2013, 10:32   #30
Registered User
 
susswein's Avatar

Join Date: May 2012
Location: live in Utah, Sail in sea of cortez
Boat: Balboa 27
Posts: 169
Re: Mast Climbing

As a rock climber I've been apalled at the high price and poor design of every mast climbing system I've seen. For about $150 you can put together a much better system using components bought from any climbing gear shop.

Specifically:

1) The key to ascending efficiently is fine tuning the lengths of the tethers that go to each of the ascenders. Most commercial mast climbing systems use fixed length tethers.

2) There's no good reason to use ascenders to go back down. It's time consuming, dangerous, and tiring. Using an autolock belay device in place of the upper ascender (the one attached to your harness) allows you to easily rappel back down the rope.
__________________

__________________
susswein is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
mast

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Get Down, Mast, Get Down! cherrick Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 1 19-07-2009 06:00
going up the mast shellback Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 14 10-09-2008 17:49
Retrofitting a wood mast vs current metal mast grefark Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 7 07-09-2008 22:44
Climbing the Mast Safety over40pirate Health, Safety & Related Gear 3 23-05-2008 02:44
Climbing the mast exranger Construction, Maintenance & Refit 14 06-04-2006 21:57



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 17:57.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.