Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-03-2015, 16:43   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Mast broke in half

Just a little input. My mast snapped and my rigging showed no signs of weakness. A shroud snapped. If your rigging is old replace it.
__________________

__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 17:22   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
hpeer's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 3,895
Re: Mast broke in half

Bummer!

What kind of boat and age?
__________________

__________________
hpeer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 17:33   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Re: Mast broke in half

39 foot Erickson 1974
__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 17:33   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 449
Re: Mast broke in half

Oops ... I viewed your profile photos ... the boat looks sad.
Hopefully nobody got hurt ... wishing your boat speedy recovery.
__________________
Richard_W is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 19:11   #5
Registered User
 
Steady Hand's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing All of 2017 Available Globally
Boat: OPB = Crewing in 2017
Posts: 4,851
Re: Mast broke in half

Hello.

A dismasting can be traumatic for a boat and crew.

I appreciate that you started the thread to give some warning to other sailors. Sometimes we can learn from the hard lessons experienced by others and it helps to understand those, even if it happened to another.

I have a few questions and your answers may help others.

1. What were the wind and water conditions (size of seas) when the mast broke? Under what sail (e.g main and genoa)?

2. Was the rigging standard stainless wire?

3. How old was the standing rigging?

4. Do you have an estimate of the cost of replacement of the mast and entire standing rigging, compared to the replacement of just the shrouds+stays?
__________________
Ahoy All Sailors! Need experienced crew for a passage or delivery in Atlantic, Pacific, Caribbean, Med, PNW, ICW, coastal or across an ocean anytime in 2017? I am available on 24hr notice. See my CF Profile "About Me" page for details. Happy to lend a hand!
Steady Hand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 19:23   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Re: Mast broke in half

I included a video of the sailing before it happened. We were sailing under jib alone. Probable should of had it reefed a little. Wind was 15 to 20. Seas 5 to 6 The boat is a 1974 and don't know if it is original rigging. As far as cost Not sure yet. I am going to repair the mast and loose a foot. I lost the roller it is destroyed and all the rigging is going to be replaced. I think this is going to set me back in the neighborhood of 7000 to 9000 I have a pic of the shroud that snapped I'll up load. There is no sign of rust
Attached Files
__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 19:28   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Re: Mast broke in half

Here is the broken shroud
__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 19:30   #8
Senior Cruiser
 
hpeer's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 3,895
Re: Mast broke in half

Ouch!

Try Stay loc or Norseman fittings. A bit more but the cost of rerigging then goes down dramatically. Not really that big a job either.

I did my 33' cutter for under $700US.
__________________
hpeer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 15-03-2015, 19:31   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Re: Mast broke in half

Picture of broken shroud
__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 05:25   #10
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,571
Images: 240
Re: Mast broke in half

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Gypsea Soul.

Sorry for your sad experience; but thanks for sharing.
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 06:42   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Belgium
Boat: One-off Baron von Hoevell, 29ft steel classic
Posts: 334
Re: Mast broke in half

SS, though very corrosion resistant and pretty has some serious drawbacks that don't get nearly as much attention as they should...

First of all it's not fully rust-proof unlike popular belief; it suffers from crevice corrosion. Invisible to the naked eye, but potentially devestating nonetheless. There are types of SS wire that are extremely polished to further reduce this type of corrosion, but they are expensive. Any oxygen deprevation makes this process worse.

Second, SS has very poor metal fatigue capabilities. It becomes brittle after so many load cycles. Every time you tack, the lee shrouds get slack and when you tack again get put under tension again. Do this so many thousand times and they can snap. Again, invisible to the naked eye, but a potential problem for sure.

Lastly the swageless fittings can start to form tiny cracks. They can generally be spotted during proper routine maintenance though. As can improperly swaged terminals if you know what you're looking at.

Norseman/stalock terminals are amazing, and if you have money to spend or plan on keeping the boat for another few decades (insurance companies usually stop covering standing rigging related claims when the shrouds are 10-15 years old). The wire itself is generally only half of the cost of re-rigging, so do the math. Another option is rope standing rigging, or galvanized (that's what I just got, full set all in for 400€). But that's a whole other story...
__________________
Orchidius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 10:41   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 29
Images: 3
Re: Mast broke in half

Thanks so much for the info on stainless steel and riggingthat was very informative appreciate it
__________________
Gypsea Soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 10:48   #13
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Enkhuizen, NL
Boat: Pearson 36-1
Posts: 330
Send a message via Skype™ to George DuBose
Re: Mast broke in half

I rerigged Skylark in 2009, she was 36 years old and the rigging was never changed. I had Defender build replacement stays the same diameters. Defender swaged eyes on the upper ends and I installed Sta-Lok eyes on the lower end of all the stays. The thinking was that rain or ice wouldn't enter the upper swages due to gravity. The Sta-Lok fittings were filed with BoatLife caulk.

If one has a vintage boat and isn't sure what the condition of the rigging is, replace it.

My bill from Defender, including all the stays (8), all the Sta-lok fittings and a new Schaefer roller furler was $4800.

One tip: when we cut the stays to the same lengths as the originals, we put together a 50 foot length of 2" PVC pipe to keep the old stay and the new stay parallel and clean.

In the navy, we learned about PM, preventive maintenance. Masts don't usually break on their own. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...
__________________
George DuBose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 10:54   #14
Registered User
 
Steady Hand's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing All of 2017 Available Globally
Boat: OPB = Crewing in 2017
Posts: 4,851
Re: Mast broke in half

Gypsea,

I enjoyed the sailing video. It looks like a nice day on the water, and catching the fish was nice.

You attempted to post a photo of the shroud, but it is not visible (to me).
__________________
Ahoy All Sailors! Need experienced crew for a passage or delivery in Atlantic, Pacific, Caribbean, Med, PNW, ICW, coastal or across an ocean anytime in 2017? I am available on 24hr notice. See my CF Profile "About Me" page for details. Happy to lend a hand!
Steady Hand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-03-2015, 10:58   #15
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Enkhuizen, NL
Boat: Pearson 36-1
Posts: 330
Send a message via Skype™ to George DuBose
Re: Mast broke in half

I forgot. Included in the $4800 for new stays with swages on one end, new Sta-Lok fittings, NEW bronze and stainless turnbuckles (forgot) and the new Schaefer 2100 roller furler.

If one tells Defender at the beginning of the season, that one will be spending over $5000, the sales people can lower the already low prices.
__________________

__________________
George DuBose is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
mast

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Broke My Center Board in Half macktub28 Monohull Sailboats 16 07-11-2013 16:57
Cruise Half Year - Work Half Year? windsaloft Boat Ownership & Making a Living 70 15-06-2010 17:15
Dead broke on land or live aboard comfort? jcmcdowell Liveaboard's Forum 4 21-09-2008 08:37



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 18:03.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.