Originally Posted by malbert73
Not at all. We just want someone to educate us about any advantage to the rig. Can you?
I can, are you really interested?
Larger main with a longer boom, shorter mast with less weight up high. Center of movement further aft, less weather helm
(for me if I have 5 degrees of rudder
it means I don't have the boat balanced). The only real time get any weather helm
is at 8 knots if a gust heels the boat.
Boat is easy to balance and normally sails
along with little rudder
and a light wheel
. And I make this comparison to my last boat of a Cal-39 that always had weather helm. Heck I run around with the autopilot
set on a response of 2 or 10 because don't need that much to steer straight.
Unlike a lot of boats I see sailing around with only their head sail out, I never sail without the main, because that would be a waste on a B&R. I rarely roll up the head sail and will reef the main at 15 knots without any lost
of boat speed.
Aft sheeting on the main using the Hunter cockpit
bridge; a lot less effort needed to crank it in and it even uses a smaller winch
Just a great rig that is easy to balance and easy to sail. I just fail to understand what more people want of their rig. The rig does all Hunter says it will do, but keep in the end that they didn't come up with it and don't build it as it is a Selden rig. Hunter just had the guts to use it!
Some of the "negatives" people talk about
1- No back stay - so what! The rigs aren't falling down and by not having the backstay in the way is how you get the big shorter main. And even more room in the cockpit
2 - can not let the sail out down wind - just plain wrong and BS! The main has wear patches on the main to allow you to do that if you what to. I sail mine downwind and even wing-on-wing regularly (people say it is not possible, must be them). I don't have an issue putting the main on the spreaders if needed to allow this and yet still have the original 13 year sail with the original wear patches that haven't been replaced. But I don't make it a habit of sailing deep downwind as I know for a fact that the boat is faster sailing off the wind. And yes I have a spinnaker and fly it!
3. loose forestay - that's by design and if you don't believe me look it up yourself in the tuning instructions from Selden. Bothered me originally that the forestay was loose, but in the end I decided the designers of the rig knew more than me. There isn't a need to crank down on a backstay to keep the foresail shape because the sail is cut for a loose forestay and the mast already has a lot of rake.
The only real difference between the B&R rig and lots of other rigs with swept back spreaders is that it has the tripod design where the mast and side stays are doing the support of the rig so you don't need a backstay or a tight forestay. Some rake is lost
for those with furling
masts, but if someone has a furling
mast they are making that trade-off.
The real issue is that people don't learn to sail the boat the way it is designed. It isn't the rigs fault if you try to sail it as a conventional rig and it doesn't perform. Just as it isn't a modern boat's fault if you try to sail it like a boat of yester year that had a lot of fore/aft hull
overhang as you still think you need to put the rail in the water
I don't consider myself a great sail trimmer. But I just sail my B&R rig the way it and the boat as a whole likes to be sailed. If others can not do the same it isn't the rigs fault, it's their fault!
So in the end, if you have experience on a B&R rig and couldn't get it to sail good then it was you! Or at the least you can not sail as well as Fat Don!