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05-12-2012, 04:10
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#31
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Location: On the boat, currently Tampa Bay, Florida
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Re: Lifelines
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Originally Posted by daddle
Well, if it works for you then good! Seems like a reasonable thing to do. How long is the rope's span?
Two points:
* While all chainplates are good for pulls vertically, some are not happy about sideways pulls. I have seen such abuse start them leaking.
* StaySet-X is pretty stretchy stuff for lifelines. Better would be Dyneema or the like. What happens when you put all your weight against them? Can you sit on them?
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Daddle, your remarks are good. I wouldn't recommend this for blue water. The span between the main and mizzen upper shrouds is about 15 feet, a bit long, I realize. But I rely on them for only for balance and always use a harness in bad weather.
Chainplates are installed parallel to the beam, so outward forces should be accommodated better than fore/aft forces. There are caps on deck they go thru, bedded with butyl. No leaks discovered yet in three years.
I agree about Dyneema. Probably will use that next time. I do have to tighten them periodically with the lashings to the pulpit.
Sit on them? Haven't tried that :-)
Best regards,
The Way
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05-12-2012, 06:32
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#32
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cayuga Lake NY - or on the boat somewhere south of there
Boat: Caliber 40
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Re: Lifelines
Has nobody on this thread ever reflexively grabbed a lifeline when the boat took a lurch? False sense of security? Only if you think they are jacklines strung a bit higher. I dont know about you guys, but I have on numerous occasions crawled forward and back when the boat was bounding around too much. No, I am not too proud to crawl, and yes, I was happy to have lifelines on the boat when I did that.
Oh and having a sail in the water is a complete pain in the ass. Lifelines help prevent that. They also provide a good place to clip the spinnaker bag.
And I guess nobody on this thread ever washed clothes and pinned them on the lifelines to dry? No long term cruisers here at all? Only marina sailors? Come now, lifelines have lots of uses besides tripping you up when you are going forward on your feet when you might be better off crawling.
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05-12-2012, 06:34
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#33
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Usually where the boat is...
Boat: Pearson 40
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Re: Lifelines
If you have a larger size stasetx like 3/8" or 7/16" or so, it will not stretch appreciably. Just need to to a non-slip knot, better yet a splice at each end.
Dynema is better but the stretch factor in about 30' is maybe 4" at the most, less if the staset is thicker. Tying Dynema/Spectra/Amsteel is harder as it is slippery.
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17-12-2012, 07:31
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#34
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: La Marque, TX
Boat: Mac 26X
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Re: Lifelines
I don't see it as a huge deal either way, having had both, but my crew will not be without! But on a 25' boat, I wonder if having them any higher is feasible? On my 28.5' Irwin they were 28" high and the 150 was nearly deck level, and the lifelines were in the way.
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17-12-2012, 08:12
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#35
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
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Re: Lifelines
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Originally Posted by markpierce
When I was a teenager, my primary station was the foredeck (launching, retrieving, and jibing the spinnaker) of a flush-decked, 28.5-foot sloop with only a pulpit and no lifelines. Being four times older now, I prefer all-around, wait-high metal railings. (This is my dad who was captain of that sloop, sitting on the forward cabin of my current boat.)
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now thats my idea of a "lifeline" not the nonsense one sees these days
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17-12-2012, 12:02
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hurricane Highway
Boat: O'Day 28
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Re: Lifelines
Yep. The more I've scampered around the foredeck (if an old guy can scamper) the more I think I'd better reinstall something, as I'm not as steady as I'd hoped. I think I'll make them 36" and have a solid top rail. Looks aren't real important to me any longer altho I'm not a fan of blue plastic tarps on my yot. Not yet. But wouldn't mind staying aboard.
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20-12-2012, 01:02
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hurricane Highway
Boat: O'Day 28
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Re: Lifelines
While some were checking out Jude, I also noticed the Banyandah's "life lines". Good stuff.
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20-12-2012, 22:52
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#38
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Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: La Marque, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Crab
While some were checking out Jude, I also noticed the Banyandah's "life lines". Good
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Those are truly worthy of the name
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20-12-2012, 23:04
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Lifelines
Sorry, those are not lifelines but handrails. Good idea for a heavy cruiser.
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20-12-2012, 23:57
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Washington State
Boat: Colvin, Saugeen Witch (Aluminum), 34'
Posts: 2,269
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Re: Lifelines
I vote for lifelines - and netting. When I first installed the "babystrainer" for my daughters sake, I could not wait for her to grow older so I could remove it ASAP. Now I will probably keep the netting forever. It is just great to have nothing larger than 2 inches go overboard like buckets, lines or crabs.
Also vote for taller stanchions if possible to make strong. Panope's rail is 36" above forward deck and about 29" aft (seems a little low). 24" sounds really low.
Steve
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21-12-2012, 00:25
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#41
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 679
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Re: Lifelines
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Originally Posted by daddle
Sorry, those are not lifelines but handrails.
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Nope; not handrails either. It's a fence...
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21-12-2012, 05:39
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#44
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hurricane Highway
Boat: O'Day 28
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Re: Lifelines
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Originally Posted by gts1544
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Yepper... Thanks. Maine Sail is the man! I bought some butyl from him awhile back.
I had to rethink my agility after almost falling off the boat on the stands which are welded to a race car trailer ... maybe 10'.
Now I'm looking at chain link fencing -- way cheaper than stainless tube and doesn't need to be welded. Some barbed wire might dissuade unwanted visitors too.
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