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Old 14-12-2017, 02:24   #1
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How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

Hi guys,

I have a sparcraft mast, with rod rigging. My lower shroud recently snapped at the fitting in the spreader. I can't seem to find any manual on how to pull the fitting out. I can rotate it 360 degrees and it moves side to side in it's hole.

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Old 14-12-2017, 04:58   #2
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

Looks like the spreader is notched around the fitting. Probably have to pull out the pin and circle clip, take of the spreader and pull the fitting up and out. Looks like either pulling the mast, or hang from a chair from a crane after stabilizing the mast with halyards
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

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Hi guys,

I have a sparcraft mast, with rod rigging. My lower shroud recently snapped at the fitting in the spreader. I can't seem to find any manual on how to pull the fitting out. I can rotate it 360 degrees and it moves side to side in it's hole.

See the picture attached.Attachment 160511Attachment 160512
Our mast has no shroud fitting on the spreader. I don't see one in your picture either. Maybe there is a terminology problem. The pictures you posted are the fitting where the spreader connects to the mast. There is normally no shroud at this connection.

On our Selden mast the shroud is captured at the spreader tip by a clamp that is attached to the spreader with machine screws. But the shroud is not actually fastened to the spreader. I doubt your shroud is attached to the spreader. It normally just passes around the end of the spreader and is attached to the mast above the first spreader.
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Old 14-12-2017, 06:51   #4
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How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

I would bet that the spreader needs to be pulled to allow removal of the ball out the top.

Edit, it appears you remove the spreader and lift the ball up and outboard to unseat it.

http://www.seldenmast.com/files/1384...r=0&navpanes=0
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Old 14-12-2017, 09:35   #5
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

you need to pull the spreader off.


I would suggest that you take the mast down and replace all the rigging at the least have it re headed. this is a tell tale sign of more issues, you lucky the rig didn't come down
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

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Our mast has no shroud fitting on the spreader. I don't see one in your picture either. Maybe there is a terminology problem. The pictures you posted are the fitting where the spreader connects to the mast. There is normally no shroud at this connection.

On our Selden mast the shroud is captured at the spreader tip by a clamp that is attached to the spreader with machine screws. But the shroud is not actually fastened to the spreader. I doubt your shroud is attached to the spreader. It normally just passes around the end of the spreader and is attached to the mast above the first spreader.
The fitting, less the broken shroud, is shown in the picture.
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

I think, as several others have commented, that you mean a broken spreader bracket that holds spreader to the mast-- the area you pictured. I am wondering if the "snapped" refers to the slot between the large pin and the mast. Was that slot created by metal tearing out of the aluminum spreader from the forces on the spreader?

I assume you want to get the large pin out. It looks like it has a center pin inside the body of the pin. If so, I suspect you need to drive that inner pin upward relative to the outer pin to release some hidden locking balls and that the pin is similar to a common "ball lock" or "quick release" retaining pin. Lots of penetrating oil is also called for. I would also suggest contacting Seldon and sending them your pictures.

I know that if one side of a machine is worn or broken or loose, that the other side is also. IF IT WERE MY MAST, I WOULD DISASSEMBLE AND INSPECT ALL SHROUDS. Possible to do so in the air, but your rigger probably will tell you to take the mast down to do it right.
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

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I think, as several others have commented, that you mean a broken spreader bracket that holds spreader to the mast-- the area you pictured. I am wondering if the "snapped" refers to the slot between the large pin and the mast. Was that slot created by metal tearing out of the aluminum spreader from the forces on the spreader?
I believe that shiny, SS bit hanging down in the photo is what's left of the lower shroud which attaches at the base of the spreader but broke off. Since the spreaders are swept aft for the upper then there is likely only one lower instead of two.

From the photo it seems like the only way to remove the fitting is to remove the spreader, which requires slacking the upper shroud.

If in a very calm slip or on the hard I would consider doing this with the mast in by using a halyard to brace the mast to the side while slacking the upper. However as someone noted, if this one broke the others might not be far behind. I think this would be a good time to pull the mast and do a full inspection. Any idea how old the rods are in your rig?
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

RTFQ everyone. As bsurvey says, looks like the spreader needs to come off. That pin with a ring probably has something to do with holding the spreader on. You don't need to pull the mast if you can remove the spreader in place. Personally use a Mast Climber from ATN but whatever works for you. The mast will easily handle hauling someone up to do the work.

Agree that this shroud failure is probably the 'canary in the mine' and you'd best check all the rest of the standing rigging and consider reheading the rod as a minimum. You can do that with the mast standing, one at a time would probably be safest but should be okay doing one on each side with halyards stabilizing the mast. I'm not brave enough to attempt the cap shrouds and stays at one time. Do the lowers first. You'll probably need at least one helper and possibly two to keep from kinking the rod. I did all my wire rigging except the headstay with furler extrusion by myself. Had a helper to lower and raise the headstay.
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

I appears you have the type of spreader that uses this internal fitting for the shroud attachment.(?) There is a pic in the attached catalog, but I couldnt find any reference to a model number etc. http://www.compass-course.com/_src/s...kcatalogue.pdf
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

Looks like the spreader has to come off. But the shroud is attached to the mast I would think. So to get access to that fitting for removal likely requires removal of the spreader.

I think you need a rigger.
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

There will be a stemball cup in the spreader bar. Would be most sensible to hire a rigger and unstep mast at this point.
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

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Hi guys,

I have a sparcraft mast, with rod rigging. My lower shroud recently snapped at the fitting in the spreader. I can't seem to find any manual on how to pull the fitting out. I can rotate it 360 degrees and it moves side to side in it's hole.

See the picture attached.Attachment 160511Attachment 160512
That spar looks more like a "SELDEN" product to me! That being the case, I can tell you (that) you'll need to remove the Spreader first before you can remove the Stay fitting.
Maybe this is a good time to remove the spar from the boat and inspect ALL standing rigging at this time after all, if one stay has broken, can the others be far behind for failure?
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Re: How to get this lower shroud fitting out of my spreader?

I also think you have a Selden rig unless its been replaced. I would go to the Hunter owners forum and you will get all the info you want from sailors with your identical boat. Good luck.
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