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Old 14-09-2015, 07:45   #16
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Re: Dodger advice please

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Hate to break the news to you, but given the location of that mizzen, there's no way you're gonna get a "fold down dodger" with your mizzen mast sprouting through the middle of it... ;-)

If you don't want the sort of permanent structure a hard dodger entails, why not go with a simple windshield? You can add on some sort of convertible top and sides for when you might need the added protection of a full dodger...

That's the route I've taken on my boat, I think it's a great all-around solution on smaller boats. Most of the time you really don't need a dodger anyway, they're just in the way instead, and today's dodgers have long progressed way beyond the point where they can easily be "folded down", with people using them as mounting surfaces for solar panels and the like...

Have a look at some of the Scandanavian boats like the H-Rs and Najads, they'll give you some ideas re the rigid windshield/convertible dodger possibilities. I've always been surprised that setup hasn't gained wider popularity, it's the best of all worlds on smaller boats, IMHO...






That's the sort of thing I want
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Old 14-09-2015, 17:46   #17
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This is the type of thing I was thinking off, but my side hatch complicates it
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Old 15-09-2015, 00:56   #18
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This is the type of thing I was thinking off, but my side hatch complicates it
Looking at your photos again...

Does the hatch opening end before the mainsheet block? I was thinking it went beyond it but now I'm wondering if only the hatch cover goes forward of it when the hatch is open.

Maybe you can do something like in that photo. You will have the problem however that it wont fold down so flush.
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Old 15-09-2015, 01:01   #19
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Re: Dodger advice please

All looks quite do-able to me. The aftermost arch on mine is about 6 inches aft of the frd end of the cockpit. Tucked up under it there is -just- sitting headroom for a 6 footer. The wings which tension the whole thing come back maybe 12 inches.
You would just have to have a divot in the aft arch to take it frd of the mizzen.
Can be dropped quite easily but that is very rarely done.
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Just had new canvas fitted a few months back... 4th dodger in 29 years... cost $NZ1800... probably ripped off... I usually am....

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Re: Dodger advice please

And also...you will need a garage for your hatch.
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Old 15-09-2015, 02:22   #21
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Re: Dodger advice please

this may not be a popular opinion, but if given the choice betweem a small mizzen sail and a good dodger... well, sloops do quite well in general, other than on American oriented fora!

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Old 15-09-2015, 02:29   #22
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Looking at your photos again...

Does the hatch opening end before the mainsheet block? I was thinking it went beyond it but now I'm wondering if only the hatch cover goes forward of it when the hatch is open.

Maybe you can do something like in that photo. You will have the problem however that it wont fold down so flush.
The hatch opening stops before the main sheet block, but the centre block is in the middle of the beam of the boat and the hatch off to the side. The hatch cover slides back further than the block. Your right I think I'll have to compromise and give up on the idea of a fold down.
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Old 15-09-2015, 02:41   #23
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this may not be a popular opinion, but if given the choice betweem a small mizzen sail and a good dodger... well, sloops do quite well in general, other than on American oriented fora!

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I've considered that. But I like the look of the ketch. I've not 'experienced' the benefit of the mizzen yet, but then the mast hasn't been overhauled properly yet. When it comes up on the slip in the next few weeks then I'll make sure it's working as it should be.

Banyanda, who's a member on CF cruised the world and continues to cruise around Australia after they removed their mizzen. I might ask them why they did that.

If I was to remove mine, I'd want some professional advice to make sure I don't change any thing that will be detrimental.
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Re: Dodger advice please

RC,

In your thinking, do not plan to stand up underneath it. If you make that compromise, which will also allow yo to see over it, you will be able to keep it low enough to not look horrid.

Just a couple of inches will make a difference in overall appearance, and, after all, one should only need to look over the top of the dodger rarely--if you bought decent "windows".

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Re: Dodger advice please

I don't think you need to give up on the fold down but you might need to create a raised base for it that is level or perhaps a bit higher than your hatch cover.

Funnily enough, as I was typing this in the cafe waiting for breakfast I noticed that the dodger on this yacht near me has a raised grp base for its dodger


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I don't think you need to give up on the fold down but you might need to create a raised base for it that is level or perhaps a bit higher than your hatch cover.

Funnily enough, as I was typing this in the cafe waiting for breakfast I noticed that the dodger on this yacht near me has a raised grp base for its dodger


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I have a raised 'cowl'....I thought all boats did.... still only gives sitting headroom
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RC,

In your thinking, do not plan to stand up underneath it. If you make that compromise, which will also allow yo to see over it, you will be able to keep it low enough to not look horrid.

Just a couple of inches will make a difference in overall appearance, and, after all, one should only need to look over the top of the dodger rarely--if you bought decent "windows".

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Yes, I agree. The boom is at head height, so to stand up under it would be unrealistic. The other thing is it's going to finish at the mizzen so, no standing 'under' it.

I did question whether I could possibly add a Bimini later on which would be seperate and give that little extra sun and rain cover. I currently have a plastic tarp that came with the boat which I use on really hot sunny days. It clips on the pushpit, and main mast stays in six spots. Exceptionally noisy when it's windy though.
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I don't think you need to give up on the fold down but you might need to create a raised base for it that is level or perhaps a bit higher than your hatch cover.

Funnily enough, as I was typing this in the cafe waiting for breakfast I noticed that the dodger on this yacht near me has a raised grp base for its dodger


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Umm, that might be a solution to the deck slope. Depending on whether I'm going down that lines back to the cockpit trail or not.
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Yes, I agree. The boom is at head height, so to stand up under it would be unrealistic. The other thing is it's going to finish at the mizzen so, no standing 'under' it.

I did question whether I could possibly add a Bimini later on which would be seperate and give that little extra sun and rain cover. I currently have a plastic tarp that came with the boat which I use on really hot sunny days. It clips on the pushpit, and main mast stays in six spots. Exceptionally noisy when it's windy though.
I used to have a bimini...couldn't see the mainsail...sold it...bought a hat ...and some of this stuff for use in port....
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Here's an offset companionway garage and dodger surround. Unfortunately Dodgers being rebuilt at the moment.

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