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Old 24-10-2012, 12:02   #61
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Re: Cost of sails

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OK guys no one is bashing lofts like Doyle (have to say that because my bud works there), North (sailed them forever), or any other top notch sail maker. No one is saying it is possible to get enough use out of a brand new good quality sail to make it a better deal that a low quality brand new sail.

The point is that for a lot of folks spending some time on the internet searching the sites that resell used sails can result in a deal no new sail can come close to matching. Especially for things like light air head sails the deals can be spectacular. These used sails can also be recut and resewed to make them an even better fit for your boat.

As zee points out for her situation a $US200 sail will provide lots of use for a cost that can not be beat. On the other hand don't expect to be taking line honors unless you were going to do it anyway with used sails.

If the question is a new set of sails or a used set of sails and more coin of the realm in the cruising kitty I know what my answer would be.

YMMV
Ok, I've made up my mind ... I am packing bedsheets in and going to spend time double stitching them together lol.
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Old 24-10-2012, 13:23   #62
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Re: Cost of sails

In any case, space permitting it, makes sense to keep your ex onboard. Even a brand new sail can be rendered useless by a bad squall or an absent minded driver.

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Old 24-10-2012, 13:29   #63
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Re: Cost of sails

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In any case, space permitting it, makes sense to keep your ex onboard. Even a brand new sail can be rendered useless by a bad squall or an absent minded driver.

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Keeping an "ex" on board might be tantamount to enduring a "double squall"?
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Old 24-10-2012, 14:04   #64
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Re: Cost of sails

And don't forget: in a surprisingly short time, your expensive new sail is a used sail...

But, if you intend going offshore to remote places, knowing the UV exposure history of your working sails is comforting. It's not that easy to judge the damage level in Dacron, and having your primary propulsion devices blow out is not fun.

That said, we've purchased and used second hand sails in the past and been pleased with their value... but then we were only coastal cruising in California, never far from refuge and sailmakers.

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Keeping an "ex" on board might be tantamount to enduring a "double squall"?
I don't think there's a boat big enough that I would want to sail with my ex on board.
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And don't forget: in a surprisingly short time, your expensive new sail is a used sail...
What a difference, however, if the boat was custom built for your boat and your style of sailing.
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Re: Cost of sails

I need a RF headsail. Many used sails are available fairly cheaply for my size vessel. All need the UV cover replaced. A local loft here has said they can build me a genny that will sail well rolled up some for just twice the used sail price. Sales talk or real deal?
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Re: Cost of sails

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What a difference, however, if the boat was custom built for your boat and your style of sailing.
Oh yes, I quite agree with you, Bash, and we haven't gone the used route for years. However, if one is on a restricted budget, the kind of sails that you (and I) enjoy are not easily obtained.

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I don't think there's a boat big enough that I would want to sail with my ex on board.
Haha ... there isn't a WORLD big enough for me to want to sail with my ex on-board.
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Old 24-10-2012, 14:42   #70
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Re: Cost of sails

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I need a RF headsail. Many used sails are available fairly cheaply for my size vessel. All need the UV cover replaced. A local loft here has said they can build me a genny that will sail well rolled up some for just twice the used sail price. Sales talk or real deal?
Hmm, watch the quality of the new sail cloth. This side of the pond a new sail is 3 or 4 times the price of decent quality second hand sail.

However, times are hard and sailmakers are short of work at this time of year, worth talking to them.

Our new Genoa is on the cutting table as we speak, wouldn't dream of trying to order something in the Spring.

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Re: Cost of sails

I'm fortunate enough that my boat uses basically the same size sails as a Catalina 22!

No shortage of new or used sails there!

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Re: Cost of sails

When I was looking at a Liberty 49 a year ago I got the following quote from Mack Sails.

9.77 oz Marblehead Dacron Leisure furl fullbatten main $5256
8.77 Marblehead Dacron 110% miter cut genoa with Sunbrella cover and luff foam $4438
9.77 oz Marblehead Dacron staysail with Sunbrella cover and luff foam $1940
Package Price $10,000 for sails


I did this so I would know what I would be up for to renew the old sails.

Hope this helps.
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When I was looking at a Liberty 49 a year ago I got the following quote from Mack Sails.

9.77 oz Marblehead Dacron Leisure furl fullbatten main $5256
8.77 Marblehead Dacron 110% miter cut genoa with Sunbrella cover and luff foam $4438
9.77 oz Marblehead Dacron staysail with Sunbrella cover and luff foam $1940
Package Price $10,000 for sails


I did this so I would know what I would be up for to renew the old sails.

Hope this helps.
I did a budgetary exercise for a 47 foot Beneteau and it was less than that quote for a heavier duty Dacron 3 reef mainsail as well as the Genoa with cover. The Gib was similar to the staysail price you have mentioned. Thanks for that input, hopefully it gives you a comparative too. Quotes I got were for Doyle sails.
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Hmm, watch the quality of the new sail cloth. This side of the pond a new sail is 3 or 4 times the price of decent quality second hand sail.

However, times are hard and sailmakers are short of work at this time of year, worth talking to them.

Our new Genoa is on the cutting table as we speak, wouldn't dream of trying to order something in the Spring.

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Good advice Pete. UK has the opportunity for decent/good prices but often we get ripped off here. A question of being careful and doing our homework.
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Re: Cost of sails

I suggest you visit a sail show and visit the sailmaker's booths. Chicago in the spring, Annapolis, Miami, SanDeago, others? They will show you the variety of sail materials and explain the differences in performace and durability. If you shop by price alone, you may find the shape gone in a season or two.

Also see if your local sailmakers care to visit your boat and make a proposal. If you only want to duplicate an existiong sail then you can ealily provide measurements and look for quotes on line.

I also would consider used. Many racers dump their sails after only a season or two. Do a search for the various used sail sources.
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